(May 7, 2013 at 7:19 am)Harris Wrote:(May 6, 2013 at 6:49 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Observation: the Universe is spreading more or less homogeneously (That means at the same speed in every direction).
Since it is spreading, then, if we turn the clock backwards, it will come together.... closer and closer until it is at one single point in the space-time continuum.
What happens after that one point? we don't know. No one knows. We may speculate, the human mind is great at speculating...
.One option is an entity from some different dimensionality, that simply created a 3+1D drawing.
.Another option is that the space-time continuum is infinite and present zero average energy, but some quantum fluctuations bring forth a few virtual particles here and there and, on occasion, these come together and generate real particles. For each particle, a suitable anti-particle is generated also, so the net energy content is ZERO. The infinity of space-time makes it possible that a location exists where too many of these real particles are generated, thus yielding a Universe.
.Another option is.... lots of Universes.
.Another option is... we're inside the matrix.
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Any guess is as good as any other, as long as we're aware that they're only guesses.
The trouble starts when some people claim they have the answer, but have nothing to support it, and push that answer onto other people as if it was the magic bullet. And harm those people who do not accept that answer.
I respect your Sentiments and trust me I am not here to push you or anyone to a magic bullet. I have many debates with theist minded people (I am one of them) and heard their ideas on different topics. Atheist minds I have not touched yet and it is my curiosity to learn how their minds work without the support of God idea.
Coming to your explanation, the options that you have proposed are somewhat irrelevant to my question. I agree that no one knows what happened before Big Bang in terms of science but my questioned about NOTHINGNESS is about rational understanding rather empirical kind.
Very well...
Nothingness... nothing is nothing. Total absence of particles, energy, mass, fields, real or virtual.
There's a rational discourse.
Now for the empirical backing...
Empty space is, according to the currently accepted theory and measurements, not nothing. It has something which is not mass nor energy, but has fields, at least "virtual" ones.
Given that, please do not try to pin your god as a means of getting something out of your nothingness which should, in fact, be empty space which, as I told you, is not nothing.
Now, if this was 50 years ago, I could not say that empty space is not nothing and I'd have a problem with how to get at something from nothing... Even so, I could dismiss your feeble attempt at pinning your god in there, because I'd want some proof for that god thing.
Luckily, we're in today and science has come through with this very elegant theory which lets me make sense of how to get something from empty space.
