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[Harris]

Look at my post and responses open-minded. Don’t be conservative. Its not me who had showed extreme attitude so far. Because you guys have a formula “look at Muslim not as man but animal” and this hinders you to look what is correct and what is wrong. I ask you to go all over my responses with a cool mind and try to analyse how I have responded to all of yours attacks.

You don't know what I feel. You don't know what's in my heart, or that of any other person here, until you ask them. But you think you do, and you think the lies you've been told about atheists are true, so you project them onto these people. I can assure you that I do go over your responses with a cool mind,
and what I see is a lot of stereotyping of atheists in order to put them down, and a lot of very tired anti-atheist cliches. Moreover, atheists have seen the same "criticisms" from other religious people, and they are almost always the same, so it's patently obvious that these "criticisms" are manufactured by religious people and spread with the purpose of opposing non-religious people. (We get the "atheists are foul mouthed" whine multiple times each year.)

Atheists spend a lot of time researching the facts of religion so that they can know what they are talking about when they criticize religion. Religious people generally don't care about the facts of atheism, so they often just make up lies that sound good in order to put atheists down.

You don't want people to stereotype you as a Muslim? Try not stereotyping other people for their atheism. Or better yet, try not swallowing every anti-atheist lie you've been taught.

It's not you who showed extreme attitude? That's bullshit. Your first post was extreme. Is it your contention that your first words to another should be criticism?
If you were introduced to some Amish people, would you open up by telling them you thought they were stupid for not embracing electrical conveniences and dancing?
Do you introduce yourself to someone new by saying, "Hi. My name is Harris. And by the way, that dress makes you look fat." Of course you don't. So why is it appropriate here?
(Beyond the fact that your criticisms are false or misleading.)

My response to you is as cool as it is pointless, as I know people like you are too wrapped up in their biases, and too stupid, to ever climb down and experience what's really going on around them.

I'm not offended because you are a Muslim. I'm offended because you are stupidly repeating hateful lies about the people I love in order to spread your religion.

Thank you for posting a detailed explanation. Your post reveal something on me that up till now I have not understood. Instead of explaining let me give you some facts about me. Maybe these facts will make you guys understand something that you might not understand till now.

This is my first ever chance to have some discussions with atheist. Before this place I know only one atheist who was French and he was the real nice gentleman. We were together we were friends and we were discussing about religion and atheism without having any complexes in between us. Sometimes I was pushing him to the cornor sometimes I was in his position but we have never ever left the boundaries of ethics no matter how intense were our argumentation. Frankly speaking that guy has put on me a real nice impression about the atheist.

From your post above and few other post of similar nature reveal on me one fact that religious people are treating with you guys in exactly the same way you are treating with me. Don't take my words hard on you but to me it seems most of you guys are victom of some kind of a complex.

I am unaware of what has happened with you and I was all this time trying to sort out what exactly happened! I have gone through my post on and on and on but found exactly the same what I have told you that is these are my first impressions which I very open mindedly exposed to you supposing that you are broad minded like my French friend.

Believe me or not I have met no one in my life who have said something bad about atheist. For me you are first human beings afterwords you are engineers, doctors, etc. on the basis that we are human beings I believe in communication rather than fighting.

One thing you have to understand there is no single community in the world where every member of that community is a devil or an angel. You will find always a mixture of attitudes. Let us say you have 1000 bad experiences while debating with theist. Based on that 1001 guy might be different.

What I'm trying to say here is give a chance to a speaker to speak everything in order to understand what exactly in his mind. Like in my first post I had given an example of a little boy who shouts and never try to listen and of course it is the boy who is losing not the speaker.

you people have took me as a wrong guy. What you are saying about yourselves exactly the same way I can say about myself. I am talking about the mass media. Mass media is doing its utmost to portray all Muslims as culprit and most of the naive people do take these Muslims as real culprit. I have not heard in years anything against atheist on the level of mass media.

In short I can say not you were the only people who have bad stories to tell other people might have even worse stories to tell.

I am not a political man and don't want to be. Main purpose of my appearance on this site is to have academic style of discussion. I did not know here most of the people are sensitive due to some bad experiences in dealing with others.

Anyway, I am here and facing all of you without having any complex in my mind. I am not superior to you and I am not inferior than you. In the same way I look at you.

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I thought that an atheist is the most cool minded person but here I have find you guys showing much higher aggression than any Muslim culprit.

Harris, look at it from our point of view: You are a muslim, coming on here (an ATHEIST board) spewing uncalled-for and insulting bullshit in your first post. You wish to argue some point which has been addresses ad infinitum on this forum already and you are so set in your beliefs that you absolutely will not, under any circumstances, entertain any idea or explanation that opposes your current beliefs.

You seem to think that, by some magic, you are the first person to bring these radical ideas to light and that we poor, knuckle-headed atheists will suddenly see the light and bow to your sheep-fucking prophet and his backward ideas.

As for aggression, please indicate to me the last time an atheist group shot a little girl for going to school or flew a fucking plane into a building. Tell when we atheists called for the killing of innocents for saying something against atheism. Show me how we beat and oppress our women because they are women.

You got some serious balls to come on here and say we are the aggressive ones, you fat fucking prick.

I know what Stalin and Mao did, you collect entire history of Muslim even then it will not come even near what these two guys have done. And don't forget about women and children who are dying on daily basis in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Palestine, in Kashmir, in the name of war against terror.