(May 15, 2013 at 1:38 am)Godschild Wrote: but I believe this comes more from the pack mentality and enhanced by domestication...We need to remember those who came before us and domesticated the dog selected for these traits, thus we continue to enhance and strengthen pleasing traits in the dog. What I find most interesting about dogs is the variety and not just physically but mentally as well
TexS Wrote:Ding ding ding! A well put argument for how a species can adapt and form morality. "Morality" is an evolved trait developed from variation. Now...apply that to something else, and remove it from any future Moral Arguments for God please!
I was waiting on this, I knew someone would jump on it. I never said a dog understands morality and without understanding there is no morality, it's instinct. The dog did not select for these traits man did, man found in the instinct of dogs what pleased him and breed for them and enhanced them. Wild dogs from around the world show no true moral aspects in their daily behavior, everything they do can be understood as survival of the species, not pushing the species into a direction of morality. Actually what I see in dogs is this, morality would be a detriment to the survival of the pack, morality would allow weak links into the pack and eventually destroy the social network that has gotten them this far with little change in them for thousands of years. Evolution has nothing to do with what I purposed, not in any way.
(May 15, 2013 at 1:38 am)Godschild Wrote: I know of no other species that varies as much and yet can still breed.yes you do.

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I do? Not sure what you mean.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.