RE: Locked in the dogma
May 17, 2013 at 8:50 am
(This post was last modified: May 17, 2013 at 9:17 am by Little Rik.)
(May 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm)apophenia Wrote:(May 16, 2013 at 11:13 am)enrico Wrote: What a pity!!!
Sad to say but a robot is also a vehicle.
Without a mind that program it, it will never do anything.
Still spouting bullshit and crap.
Quote:Evolutionary robotics uses population-based artificial evolution (fogel-1966, holland-1975) to evolve autonomous robot controllers (i.e. robot brains) and sometimes robot morphologies (i.e. robot bodies)(lipson-n-2000). Generally, the robots are evolved to perform tasks requiring some level of intelligence, for example moving around in an environment without running into things.
The process of controller evolution consists of repeating cycles of controller fitness testing and selection that are roughly analogous generations in natural evolution. Evolution is initialized by creating a population of randomly configured robots (or robot controllers). During each subsequent cycle, or generation, each of the robot controllers competes in an environment to perform the task for which the robots are being evolved. This process involves placing each controller into a robot and then allowing the robot to interact with its environment for a period of time. Following this, each controller’s performance is evaluated using a fitness selection function (objective function) that measures how well the task was performed. The controllers in the better performing robots are selected, altered and propagated in a repeating process that mimics natural evolution. The alteration process is also inspired by natural evolution and may include mutation and trading of genetic material. Cycles are repeated for many generations to train populations of robot controllers to perform a given task.
— Evolutionary Robotics (See also, Wikipedia: )
Unfortunately the process of control evolution is unable to go over the border of reason and therefore to decide what is good or bad in order to progress as the consciousness is concern.
Without the consciousness the vehicle can still move if programmed to do so but no real progress is made.
In other words is all in vain.
The day you will be able to give a consciousness to a robot let me know.
I will give you countless of Kudus.
(May 17, 2013 at 8:15 am)Sal Wrote: I didn't quite get the point in OP besides that "dogma is bad" for some obtuse reason followed by a lot of conjecture.
Well, I won't be adding anything significant to the discussion other than what I think dogma is: A system of beliefs or statements that by their nature cannot be questioned.
To me, the unquestionable bit, is what makes me against dogma - I think everything should be able to stand up to scrutiny, how else can you know if what you believe or statements you hold are true or not? Without scrutiny and critique your beliefs and statements are arbitrary at best.
You are correct but to your statement i would like to add something.
A system of beliefs or statements that by their nature cannot be questioned.
A system of beliefs or statements BASED ON FALSE BELIEF OR LIES that cannot be questioned.
There are countless of dogmas and not only religious.
But those religious are the most spectacular.
Christian dogma........You can only be saved in Jesus.
It does not say how the unfortunate creatures that lived before Jesus could be saved.
Muslim dogma..........You shell kill animal facing the Mecca.
It does not say that the poor animal will feel less pain in being slaughtered in one direction or an other.
Hindu dogma..........the cow is sacred because give a lot of milk.
It does not say that buffalo are sacred as they give more milk then a cow.
And now an atheist dogma..........i can not see or perceive God so it does not exist.
Well, maybe if you try to look inside and not outside you may well start to perceive that essence.
