RE: Locked in the dogma
May 18, 2013 at 8:15 am
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2013 at 8:32 am by Little Rik.)
(May 17, 2013 at 9:48 am)pocaracas Wrote:(May 17, 2013 at 8:50 am)enrico Wrote: And now an atheist dogma..........i can not see or perceive God so it does not exist.
Well, maybe if you try to look inside and not outside you may well start to perceive that essence.
That.... is when you enter the realm of psychology.
Look inwards for the answer.... sounds a lot like self-delusion.
An entity capable of creating the Universe shouldn't be perceivable only by "looking inwards".
"Look inwards" sounds like a person trying to convince another of something that is impossible to experience, unless you convince yourself of it, in the first place.
And that's why I refuse any such argument.
This is an interesting argument.
If you look outward you can see the physical-material world and also this is part and parcel of God but to see God in all his effulgence you got to go much further and see all the transformation that took place before his imagination created this physical-material world.
According to yoga creation start with pure consciousness and in his imagination he created space, air, light, water, and solid factor.
These are 7 factors like the seven cakras or main glands that control these factors in our existence.
Also in the christian believe it is said that God created the world in seven days but of course the real knowledge about how the system works has been totally lost.
It is not that God created this universe and then let it be without any intervention. It is that the creation keep on going for ever in this or in any other universe or dimension.
So when i say that to experience God one has got to go inwards i mean to work on higher cakras or glands like the pineal one which is the ultimate goal of life.
If you only look at this material world you only can experience the last transformation of the imagination of God into matter and of course this reality is billion of years far away from his reality and effulgence.
That is why one should look inwards where the higher glands that control mind and spirit are.
When you are able to bring all your propensity from the lower gland that control the matter to the higher gland (pineal) that control the spirit then you not only can see God but you become one with it like when a drop of water merge in the ocean she become the ocean herself.
Quote:Some 100,000 years ago, humanity came across the concept of divine. If the deity was a real thing, there was some physical interaction (how else would humans have come up with it?) and was not just mental masturbation.
These people only glorify the phenomena that give light, heat or whatever they need in their daily life like the sun, the rain and so on.
As far as real essence of the divine it was a remote thing.
Quote:I eagerly await for that deity to perform the same kind of interaction with me.Thus far, I have nothing of the sort. So I default to "there is nothing of the sort".
I am afraid that you will have to wait a lot longer unless you do something about.
Now i am going to explain to you through an analogy (something that our friend Stimbo hate so don't tell him eh)
If you want to perceive God you got to establish a good relationship with him.
Suppose you are looking for a lover.
What you do?
Do you just sit in your lounge in your house watching tv waiting that a suitable lover come knocking your door and say.......hello, ciao bello....i just felt that you were looking for me so here i am!!!
Of course it does not work like this.
You got to go around and around before you find something interesting.
Not only this but you must have a strong desire.
Only with strong desire you can draw his attention.
If the desire to find him is very strong then you don't even need to go around the world to find him.
He will manifest in you.
(May 18, 2013 at 7:31 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(May 18, 2013 at 7:13 am)enrico Wrote: Proven wrong?
Not at all.
As far as your robot is programmed to do only the right thing and not to think with his own free will which of course is lacking there is no way that this state of doing things will ever lead to progress in his own conscious which of course is lacking.
In other words as i already said it will be all in vain as far as individual progress.
As far as material-scientific development it will be a success but here we are not talking about this.
Here we are talking about minds with free will and free will is sentient unlike your robot that lack this important factor so a robot without free will can not be sentient as you claim.
Now the fact that this robot will be able to drive the car mean absolutely nothing. It is like a body carried by artificial means.
The progress will only be in the physical sphere, not certainly in the consciousness one which is not present.
Would you really care what happen to your body when you are not connected to it anymore?
Except of course that the brain has developed through evolution to produce he thing that you say requires a programmer.
It does not.
What is developing is the consciousness.
The brain only get more sophisticate as it must get in tune with the changes in the individual consciousness.
So is not up to the brain to dictate the progress but up to the consciousness.
A robot can not improve for the simple reason that it lack in consciousness.