Locked in the dogma

[Angrboda]

apophenia...............You ignored my question as to how you know this to be true about the possible evolution of a robot, and continue to spout dogma.

There is material-physical evolution and there is spiritual evolution.
You are talking about the first while i am talking about the latter.

This is not an answer to a "how" question.

Who care if the vehicle is driven by an other vehicle?
In this way there can not be any spiritual progress because there is no one with consciousness to progress.

Nor is this an answer to the "how" question that was asked, but simply a bare assertion on an unrelated matter. You've simply asserted that no spiritual progress can occur without a mind. That may be true, but it doesn't answer the original question that I asked.

( I might ask how you know this as well, but let's take one question at a time.)

I am sure that in the near future babies will born in laboratories with a soul and consciousness but this will be different from your robot which is programmed by humans to do only the right thing.

Do you find it surprising that you are certain of some of the things that you believe to be true? Would it surprise you to know that I am certain of some of the things that I believe to be true? Would it surprise you to find that some of the things of which I am certain are true are in fact not true? I'm fairly confident that some things that I'm certain are true are not actually true, so my being certain that something is true is no real guarantee that it is true. If I told you that I was certain that something was true, would you believe me on that basis? Should I believe that something you say is true just because you are certain it is true? If you doubt what I say, even if I'm certain of it, why shouldn't I doubt what you say, even if you are certain that what you say is true? Everybody on the earth believes what they believe, and they believe what they believe to be true, many times with great certainty. How is your believing what you believe to be true any different from the other 6 billion people who are doing the exact same thing? If you cannot give me a reason, what choice do I have but to put your assertions on an equal footing with theirs, and alongside my own? Why should I treat your assertions any differently?

Regardless, again, you have not answered the "how" question which was put to you, about how you know that a robotic consciousness cannot be evolved. Instead, you've simply mouthed empty assertions and gobbledy-gook such as I many times hear from people who believe themselves spiritual, but who are really just engaged in mental masturbation.

You have failed to answer the question. I will repeat it for you. "How do you know that it is true that a robot cannot evolve a mind or consciousness?" (without intentional programming of that mind/consciousness by another mind or consciousness)

How do you know? Don't tell me that you know — I'm perfectly willing to accept that you are certain of what you believe — I'm interested in how you know that your certainty in this matter is reliable.

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I've been practicing yoga for 30 years, and my conclusion is that you are deluded and wrong. Yay, yoga!

After what you are writing i doubt very much that you know what yoga is but tell me......what yoga have you been practicing and what is the meaning of yoga, please tell me out of your heart-mind not by looking at wikipedia or else.

I see. So you are telling me that you don't believe I am telling the truth. In other words, you are calling me a liar. (If I don't know what yoga is, it would be a lie to say I've been practicing it.) You are faced with someone who has also practiced yoga, which appears to be your sole foundation for your believing what you say is true, and, you believe that your yogic practice has led you to a knowledge of these things. When faced with someone who also practices yoga but believes differently, you resolve the dilemma by accusing them of lying and accuse them of engaging in unethical behavior. Pardon me if that seems to me a rather childish and poor way out. Is it your yoga that teaches you to accuse others of lying if doing so will get you out of having to defend your views? If so, I think there might be something wrong with your yoga. Or perhaps, the yoga is fine, and the problem is simply you. But that does open up another question. Even if I assume that yoga, and particularly your yoga, leads to truth and knowledge, how do I know that it has led you, specifically, to truth and knowledge? How do you know that it has? You believe it has, but everybody on this planet believes that what they believe is true, regardless of what they believe. How do you know that you haven't simply been doing it wrong, and that if you had been doing it right all these 40 years, it would have led you to different beliefs? How do you know?

Regardless, the nature of my yoga is not hidden. The nature of my yoga is clearly visible. If you cannot tell me the nature of my yoga, I can only presume that you are blind and cannot see.

What is the nature of my yoga?