RE: The ultimate question !
November 28, 2008 at 12:02 pm
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2008 at 12:04 pm by Psalm 23.)
(November 27, 2008 at 1:54 am)chatpilot Wrote: I have been an atheist for about 14 years and as the years go by and my knowledge on religious matters continue to grow I have become sure that God or gods do not exist.The one question that I have tried to answer is the one question that leaves religion in general without a satisfactory answer for the skeptic.No one can be sure if God exists or not. That is an impossible task.
Quote:The question is:"If God created man,then who created God?"It's simple enough but upon further inspection it is a dead end.Lets see what the bible has to say to help answer this question.God is eternal. He was not created or born. Here are some verses to help you understand God's eternal being;
"No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began."
1 Corinthians 2:7
"This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time."
2 Timothy 1:9
"The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time." Titus 1:2
Quote: "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."That's right! God is telling John he is eternal. He has been here since the beginning, and he will continue to live after the end of time.
Quote:Using the scriptures as our guide does not give us much.We are supposed to believe on faith that the biblical God has manifested himself on Earth as God the father, the son,and as the holy spirit.The previous scripture says he is eternal the actual beginning.The book of Isaiah in the Old Testament foretold the coming of a Messiah in Israel, and this Child's name shall be "Immanuel" meaning, "God is with us." In ancient Hebrew "El" is God, "Immanu" means, "With us." Jesus=God.
Quote:If we are to accept this then we must accept that God just somehow poofed himself into existence and later began his labor of 6 days of creation of which he was so tired in the end that he needed that 7th day to rest.If you ask me,everything that the bible states about God and his beginnings are absolutely rediculous,and make the so called Godly inspiration of the Bible more suspect then ever.I invite my fellow atheists and theists to try and come up with a better and more convincing argument for the origin of God.You are not understanding what "rest" meant in ancient Hebrew. It meant, "To quit, to stop creating." It did not mean God was exhausted. You have been misinformed.
Quote:It is my honest opinion based on just pure study and observation of the worlds religions,that God was created first in the mind of mankind.Before you state that the above scripture was a referrence to Christ I will assure you that it is.But remember that Jesus was also called the Word and the bible states the following:That is correct. Jesus was was considered, "The Word" in the New Testament.
John 1:1-3 1 "In the beginning was the Word."
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, The Father, The Word, and The Holy Ghost, and these Three are One." - 1 John 5:7