Assuming God?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Funnily enough I have told him his logic is twisted many times but he doenst believe me. Any Christians who would comment on this would be much appreciated

Well.... it begs the question why you are here debating God. If something doesn't exist whats the point...on your end?

I mean...would you show up in a desert with your swimming trunks?

Or is this the "support group" for recovering Christians?

There is more reasons for us (Christians) to be here than you and your ilk.

So, in essence your friend is right! We were all (or most) brought up to believe in God. You and the others are fighting that formation.

But...God's Truth won't be denied. The problem with most atheists is that they seek God with there minds instead of their hearts!

You have it backwards. "Seek ye first the kingdom of God...and all things will be added to you." The kingdom is hiding within you! Search your heart and your mind will follow! Amen.

Just because one doesn't believe in something doesn't mean said 'something' is thus off limits for debate. As Esquilax points out, he doesn't believe in the Doctor being real either, but does that mean discussions about the finer points of sonic screwdrivers are hence off limits?

I think not.

You actually give a fine and concise example as to why we're here debating various facets of all manner of supposed gods. You call us [atheists] when responding to rationalman "...your ilk", implying an intense disgust with 'atheists' per se (this is an assumption on my part, so please correct me if I've read into the sleight of hand insult incorrectly). Theists (human beings per se) have the ability to affect the reality around us because they inhabit the same reality. I study Sikh NGOs for my PhD. I don't believe in any of the supernatural elements of their religion, but because they utilise government money for their charity and infrastructure projects, that does affect me and indeed all of society. Their use of their religious faith(s) to reinforce their behavior thus means that there is topic that must be debated and critiqued there, and one doesn't need to be a Sikh in order to study it.

The truth is, if theists just stopped trying to foist their religions onto those who don't ascribe to then, then there'd be no issue. We don't hate any gods because, to us, there's nothing to hate. What we do dislike is people using their un-evidenced beliefs to try and force others to accept what they have to say as right, often at the point of a sword.

Most religions teach that those who are external to their religion (The RCC being a prime example, even after the acceptance of inclusivism after Vatican II) are automatically bad, and must either be 'saved' or done away with. I, and many others, object to this stance, on the premise that it is anti-intellectual, and and anti-human. It's a disgusting attitude, based on nothing more than a belief with nothing but 'faith' to back it up.

If there is a god to be found, it will be found entirely with the mind, not the heart, as the heart's only function is to pump blood around our body to oxygenate our cells.