RE: Still feel trapped
May 31, 2013 at 2:31 pm
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2013 at 2:51 pm by Consilius.)
(May 3, 2013 at 12:10 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: One of the perks of being an ex-Christian atheist is keeping whatever out of Christianity you think is worth keeping and discarding the rest.Funny. When Christians do that, they're bad Christians, but atheists pick and choose and then turn on the place where these morals came from.
(May 11, 2013 at 10:48 am)Rationalman Wrote: I think you should realise that you never got your morals from Christianity in the first place. No Christian does. If you did, you would promote slavery, rape, genocide etc...
To say the Bible supports slavery would mean you're on the side of the slave-dealers of the 19th century…as I remember, slavery was started by Christians and also ENDED by Christians. Not to mention that the slavers bought slaves out of materialistic desire, and not REALLY out of religious obligation. THAT part was a defense.
As far as that goes, I don't recall God saying "Thou shalt kill and rape indiscriminately…"
(May 11, 2013 at 10:48 am)Rationalman Wrote: Many christians do not understand how morals came to be and so think atheists have non, this is not true. You don't need a God or a religion to tell you not to harm other people or kill or rape. Society and your own experiences teach you morals
That secular values exist outside religion is acutally a compliment to Christianity!
Many of moral values were enforced by, and some created by, religion. What we believe to be right or wrong comes from the impact of religion on society, so integrated into our belief systems that we don't even need to label it "God's Commandments". God is so deep into morality that we don't need to be inside his 'holy place' before we know that stealing is wrong.
Turn the other cheek? The meek will become great? All these are morals coming from Christ…not to mention "all men are…CREATED equal". Egalitarianism comes from religious doctrine.
