(December 13, 2009 at 12:50 pm)Craveman Wrote:ttackattack Wrote:I don't think ouija boards workand I've played with them. For references on the other stuff I'd check out " Earth Power: Techniques of Natural Magic " or "Helrunar A Manual Of Rune Magick " if that's what you're into.
Lol! Not my cuppa tea thanks tackattack...The books is not something that I would buy for myself or practice. I'm just interested in what and why you did it. How did you end up from experimenting with magic to becoming a Christian?
Well I was a christian, "lost my faith", tried other options really actively tried for seeking truth and I suppose I was even an agnostic for a bit, then had some personal revelations and believed in Christianity settled on a doctirne and poof.
(December 13, 2009 at 7:38 pm)Joe Bloe Wrote:(December 13, 2009 at 8:17 am)tackattack Wrote: I feel God is outside of the universe, something that could be sentient or non-sentient. Because it caused something to happen we have the known universe inside of the universe that we can observe. It provided us with planar constants like up, down, time, etc. It is Omnipresent because it is outside of our universe. It affects our universe either directly or indirectly based on whether it's sentient or not. It might be cognizant and choose to take action or takes constant action with unseen results. God is be omnipotent. It might be random fluctuations of an energy field and evolution takes over. I believe Jesus is the Son of God, and part of the Holy trinity. He suffered and died for our sins. I acknowledge that baptism is for the forgiveness of sin. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Thus have the prophets of old testified; thus the Lord Jesus Christ himself taught us; thus the Symbol of Fathers {the Nicene Creed} has handed down to us.
I just checked your holy book (KJV) and found the following descriptions of god:
* He runs like a giant (Job 16:14)
* Roars like a lion (Hosea 11:10)
* Curses (Genesis 8:21)
* Hisses (Isaiah 5:26)
* Spues (Revelation 3:16)
* Changes his mind (Exodus 32:14)
* Sends scabs (Deuteronomy 28:27)
* Shows his back parts (Exodus 33:23)
* Chats with the Devil (Job 1:7-8)
* Instructs Samuel to lie (1 Samuel 16:2)
* Creates evil (Isaiah 45:7)
* Deceives his own prophets (Jeremiah 20:7)
* Sanctions slavery (Exodus 21:2-6)
* Spreads dung on men's faces (Malachi 2:3)
Strange old fellow, your god - and seemingly not outside the universe at all, but well inside it, and taking care of the minute details.
Also, despite your claim that he is omnipotent, according to Judges 1:19 (KJV) The Lord was with Judah and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain "But could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had chariots of iron..."
The Bible is God’s progressive revelation of Himself to us through historical events and through His relationship with people throughout history might contribute to misconceptions about what God is like in the Old Testament as compared to the New Testament. More precisely it is Human interpretation of then unknowable aspects of God. The parts that are humanistic and justifiable through the natural evolution of social growth I attribute to man. God's love and forgiveness I can not see falling into that logic, ergo I attribute that to an actual insight to God.
19The Lord was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots. (NIV)
see below for all of the different versions including translator notes on that verse.
http://bible.cc/judges/1-19.htm
Actually it states that the men could not drive out the chariots of iron even though God was with them and even though they took the hillside. This was after many long battles where they cut thumbs off their enemies and ransacked jeruselem, etc. It sounds to me like they were just at war and thought God was on their side. God doesn't choose sides in my view, he is a side and you can either be on his or be on your own. God is with me everyday and doesn't pay my checks at tire's plus for me. I hate how some agnostics and lots of Christians quote the Bible like every single word is carved in stone. You have to have a broader perspective if you're going to look at the bible as proof against God than one line at a time in my opinion.
