Childhood indoctrination

[KichigaiNeko]

Wrong Fornicator. I tried vegan/vegetarianism and was admitted (to hospital very ill) as an anorexic. Whilst I DO strive to have more vegetables in my diet than meat I NEED meat as I am unable to utilise the nutrition from vegetation.

You are just being childish as your precious ideology is being challenged. All in all ...It doesn't work for everyone and you must accept this. Petroleum products are far more dangerous than utilising leather, cotton, silk; which are all biodegradable..your petro-synthetics are not and will pollute your precious "farm-land" and also your "veggies" this is already happening and hence vegan/ vegetarianism isn't as healthy as you would like to think it is

What nutrients were you actually deficient in? How can you expect your argument to be valid if you haven't even specified that rather major detail? Rule number one of nutrition is it's the nutrients that count; the specific ingredients are just a means of getting them into you.

All the B groups and Iron

And please don't try to state that leather is biodegradable and environmentally friendly: http://www.worstpolluted.org/files/FileU...Report.pdf

And synthetics are MORE biodegradable? Poor argument.

Given that animal-based food requires 6-10 x more land mass per kg of product than plant-based food, doesn't this offset any potential damage caused by cotton, hemp, polyester etc.? Overall land use in a "vegan utopia" is far less than in our current world, and involves less petrol consumption from milk tanks driving between farms every day, shipping of grain to feed animals, transport of animals etc.

No dispute there but your vegetarian utopia will destroy a great many ecosystems to feed the planet. Unless of course you condone the "culling" of 50% of the total world population that are unable to sustain a vegan/ vegetarian diet?

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And you would rather see the billions of cattle, sheep, fowl and pigs have a lingering death due to 1080 poisoning rather than be slaughtered quickly (and hopefully humanely) for food and leather? We have a crisis of goats and horses here in Oz (amongst other feral animals) thanks to the simpering good intentions of vegans/ vegetarians they die a most horrible death or to die in a bushfire, but to you this is ok it is natural?

Strawman argument. Animals don't need to be farmed in the first place.

As far as feral animals goes, humans certainly cocked up royally by introducing them, and it's not a simple issue. A utilitarian analysis needs to be conducted thoroughly before any decision to cull, but usually this is not done. Of the two of us, you seem to be the one committing naturalistic fallacy, not me, as if animals killing each other in the wild is somehow justification for us:

And while we’re at it, if we’re using the behaviour of wild animals as an ethical reference point, I guess it’s ok if we throw our faeces at each other, rape each other and steal each other’s food?

But that is the thing isn't it? these sheep, cattle, fowl and pigs are NOT wild nor are they endemic to their respective environments. You seem to prefer a cruel and agonising death for these animals that were once domesticated in support of your ideology.

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Where do you get:

Calcium
Vitamin B
Iron

http://veganeasy.org/Nutrition

Yeah yeah, Peta is certeinly the most unbiased and honest organisation on the entire planet, and it certeinly doesnt try to force any kind of agenda onto anyone.

This is a better source: http://www.worstpolluted.org/files/FileU...Report.pdf

What is your alternative for animals used in labs?

Click on "Alternatives to Animal Research" http://www.humaneresearch.org.au/fact-sheets

Do you condole acts of violence and the criminal destruction of property directed against institutions using animals for experiments?

No. Violence to stop violence is a pointless cycle, but an illegal break-and-enter can certainly be justified if it saves lives.

See there is the problem. You are NOT "saving lives" either animal nor human. You are just perpetuating the predator and prey cycle and the further pollution of our environment via exploitation of petrochemicals and seem to support Monsanto with it's GMO franchise. Otherwise how else are you going to feed 4 billion people (assuming you have "culled" all those who are unable genetically to be vegan/ vegetarians)

You really are starting to sound liken to a religion which you are railing against dearie.