Morality

[max-greece]

A car is an absolute car is it not? The only way it could not be would be for it to be part something else.
It may not be perfection in car design. An ultimate final nadir of function. But those aren't necessary to 'carness'.

There are absolute cars, buildings, pieces of music, paintings, computers, etc.. There are not absolutely -perfect- in that they couldn't be done differently, or better perhaps [any of those].

A painting can be perfect with its flaws. it will never be any better. Absolutes here are nonsense.

I think you are missing the point. We are discussing absolute perfection, in morality in this case. I am pointing out that is doesn't exist, and, in fact can't.

Lets not divert this into what gives a car its car-ness or we will be at this for another 50 pages.

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@Max.
I'm not denying a subjective side of life exist.
sure we'll all pick different cars based on purely personal prefence color/shape ect.
But there is nothing religious at all about saying that we can judge the quality of the car speed/reliability/safety/efficiency ect by an absolute standard, which is; the laws of physics...
I don't know how this is the "religious approach", sounds more like the scientific approach to me.
^ that's kind of besides the point though, you're surely not denying that objective truth can exist?

A moment ago we were discussing cars - now we are judging the quality of the car according to set criteria. This is fine but we need to recognise we are moving the goalposts.

Lets take one at random - safety. For whom? - for the driver, for the front seat passenger, the rear seat passengers? Les assume for the lot of them. We conclude that the safest car is a large 4 wheel drive vehicle.

Great - so the ideal, perfect, safe vehicle has been identified. Sadly however, someone comes along and points out that for a pedestrian the worst vehicle to be hit by is a heavy 4 wheel drive car.

OK - so we add all sorts of additional safety equipment to make the jeep (as a generic for 4 wheel drive) safer. We make it less likely to hit anyone in the first place and we cover it in materials less likely to inflict harm on the pedestrian.

We now are confident we have the safest vehicle we can possibly make.

Sadly, however, our car now weighs 3 tons. It gets 12 mpg.

We make a more efficient engine - we get it up to 30 mpg - result!

Our car now accelerates from 0-60 in 17 seconds. No-one wants it.

You realise this goes on forever - thankfully, otherwise car companies would be closing down and no new ones would be there to take their place.

BTW - Objective truth? You are joking aren't you. Do we really need to work through this as well. No, of course it doesn't exist.