Welcome Trustworthy
Since Frodo didn't answer them directly I'll take a stab to stir up conversation.
1: Perhaps it knew (presupposing consciousness) that we couldn't handle such knowledge. It's evident by the destruction man has wrought on this planet and to each other. What creator would want it's creations to destroy other creations? I'm pretty sure it's called the tred of "good and evil" in most translations, not self-awareness. Knowledge (of whatever) does not predicate self-awareness.
2:I see it as a restriction from a perfect place. In the schema of eternity what's a few millenium in a world where we have to fend for ourselves. My dad put me on restriction all the time.
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tupidity supposes intelligence and consciouness. The rest is a false dichotomy. I didn't leave my wallet on the table to test my wife to see if she'd steal from me. I didn't care if she took anything either, she'd done it before and would do it again. I put it there because I got busy playing games and it was a thorn in my butt when I sat down.
(December 22, 2009 at 6:28 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(December 22, 2009 at 1:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Christians do indeed get their moral guidance from the bible Suzie ().. and aim to do good inspired by it. That is a million miles away from their belief stance or anything they might do making them 'good'.
The idea that underpins Christianity that is fully explained in the Adam and Eve story is that people are not good by default.
@TW: Indeed. We shouldn't disregard our history and lessons that can be learned there, or disregard historical wisdom without considering it. Which brings religion back into the equation.
Thats not what I got fro the Adam and Eve myth.
The things that stuck out for me.
1: God does not want you to know anything. (the crime was eating from the tree of knowledge and becoming self aware)
2: God has a tendency for over the top punishments. Cast out eternally for a bit of scrumping seems excessive to me.
3: God is stupid, I mean leaving a tree with forbidden fruit in proximity to people is just asking for trouble. So either it was a stupid thing to do or a set up.
Since Frodo didn't answer them directly I'll take a stab to stir up conversation.
1: Perhaps it knew (presupposing consciousness) that we couldn't handle such knowledge. It's evident by the destruction man has wrought on this planet and to each other. What creator would want it's creations to destroy other creations? I'm pretty sure it's called the tred of "good and evil" in most translations, not self-awareness. Knowledge (of whatever) does not predicate self-awareness.
2:I see it as a restriction from a perfect place. In the schema of eternity what's a few millenium in a world where we have to fend for ourselves. My dad put me on restriction all the time.
3
tupidity supposes intelligence and consciouness. The rest is a false dichotomy. I didn't leave my wallet on the table to test my wife to see if she'd steal from me. I didn't care if she took anything either, she'd done it before and would do it again. I put it there because I got busy playing games and it was a thorn in my butt when I sat down.
