(June 19, 2013 at 7:46 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(June 19, 2013 at 7:18 am)Simsim Wrote: Dear, there are large numbers of possible gods (who meet your criteria). There are Islamic versions which contradict your perception of God. There are Christian versions which correspond to your claimed characteristics. There are many many many options. You'd better prove the impossible God's models rather than proving the possible God's models !! And you should take into account that proving something to be logical or possible does not mean that it is proven to be right.Thanks, but I told you this part is still to come
Even the mere assumption of God is not the unique option which your algorithm should lead to. There are much more options ... much more even than the God's versions themselves !!!
So your logic has nothing to do with:
1- proving the existence of Islamic God as a unique option or even as a probable option.
2- Proving the existence of a "traditional deity" itself.
So what can I do with your algorithm?? It is just proving that the Islamic God (the main characteristics mentioned) is a logical option. But, again, this has nothing to do with faith. I don't believe in the deistic god although he is logical. He is even more reasonable than the Islamic one.
You say that you can prove the divinity of Qur'an. I say that I can prove it is a human invention. Rhetorically, it is very beautiful and impressive if not translated. But scientifically it is primitive and full of mistakes. Arabic is my native language and I know what I am talking about.
Regards.
We are only discussing the proof an its conclusion
A creator/starter for the universe exists and he has so and so attributes.
Till now we are not talking about Islam, it is just logic (and science if applies)
How is it logical that something outside of time has actions?
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