(June 20, 2013 at 3:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, God would never change His ultimate plan, that is unchangable, what I described to you was a person's death is going to happen, we asked God's mercy upon the person and family and it happened, more than once it happened. The death happened earlier than it could have, yet changed nothing in God's plan.
Baalz Wrote:You continue to contradict yourself.
No I haven't, you desire to see it that way so you see what I've stated as what you perceived it to be, yes you have assumed something you wanted and then read it that way.
Baalz Wrote:If the death happened earlier (than originally PLANNED, before "prayer" intervention), that constitutes a change in the plan. If god answers any prayers, the plan has been changed.
The death time of most people are not going to interfere with God's ultimate plan. Have you not read the verse saying "children obey your parents and your days may be prolonged. There is flexibility in God's plan for most individuals, not in God's absolute will. So yes prayer can make changes in a persons life.
Baalz Wrote:So, either the plan is unchanging, in which case prayer is completely irrelevant, or the plan is flexible in which case your god is a dick.
What's wrong with a flexible plan for a persons life or even the life of a nation, just what standard are you trying to hold God to.
I as a contractor building a home have an ultimate plan to finish the home as the plans call for and do it on time. Does that mean I can not talk with my employees and listen to what they have to say. Does that mean I can't change my mind on what parts of the house is finished first, no in all cases. As long as I finish the house as planned and on time I've stated with the original plan, yet changed the order of things as I went, I could have even changed some of my employees and not changed the ultimate plan.
Baalz Wrote:I find it fascinating that you can carefully explain (read"make excuses for") those things which you find miraculous (i.e. early death for a suffering patient), yet, when it comes to contradictory situations (i.e. some people continuing to suffer), you go back to the default and complete bullshit answer of "you'll have to ask god".
I said you would have to ask God about the things I do not know about, God did not make me privy to all His will but, He has taught me how to see some of the things He is doing.
Baalz Wrote:How is it that you have complete clarity on miracles that do occur and yet lack even a fundamental understanding of miracles that don't occur?
Exactly how am I to explain to you about miracles that are not miracles, as a matter of fact how am I to always know when miracles occur, like I said above I'm not privy to God's complete will.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.