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Government is Irrational.
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RE: Government is Irrational.
(June 30, 2013 at 11:22 am)Koolay Wrote: The idea that evil is pre-determined is not true.

It has been well established that you can only have an epigenetic disposition to violent behaviour more than others. But it is only triggered after traumatic experiences. If you don't have the trauma / abuse, then it's not a concern.

Like you could have a family history and disposition to heart disease, but if you exercise regularly and eat low fat then you don't have anything to worry about.

On an individual level, anything is possible. But when you collect enough individuals, the statistics become unavoidable. Yes, a person with an evil family COULD avoid being similarly bad. But he probably won't.

And here's what you're not getting-- chance itself is enough to lead to hatred and enmity. What happens if two boys are playing by a river, and one of them drowns? The dead boy's family resents the other. What happens if two young men love the same girl? The losing suitor is likely to be bitter, especially if there are no other girls of similar quality around.

And why is this? Evolution. The evils of humanity are also responsible for our greatest genetic successes. Rape, murder, jealousy-- they have all led to our existence.

That's what government does. It acts as a communal insurance against those types of evils. It mediates their effect and establishes common goals and values.

In anarchy, if I was disposed to rape a girl, I'd size up her father, decide if I could take him, and if I thought I could I'd rape her. I cannot possibly size up a city's police force and think I'm likely to win a confrontation. That's government, and that's a good thing.
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Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Silver - June 29, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - June 29, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by paulpablo - June 29, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tartarus Sauce - June 29, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - June 30, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:06 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - June 30, 2013 at 1:30 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - June 30, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - June 30, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - June 30, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CapnAwesome - June 29, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 1, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 1, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 2, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Minimalist - June 29, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Minimalist - June 29, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by paulpablo - June 29, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tartarus Sauce - June 29, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 12:47 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Silver - June 29, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:22 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by FlyingNarwhal - June 30, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 11:22 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - June 30, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - June 30, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 9:22 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - July 1, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by DeistPaladin - July 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Red Celt - July 9, 2013 at 4:39 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:38 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by FlyingNarwhal - June 30, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:52 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by _xenu_ - June 30, 2013 at 5:31 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - June 30, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Silver - June 30, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LastPoet - June 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tartarus Sauce - June 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by DeistPaladin - July 1, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Savannahw - July 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Savannahw - July 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by sarcasticgeographer - July 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Faith No More - July 2, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by sarcasticgeographer - July 1, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 2, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 2, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 2, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 3, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - July 2, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by cratehorus - July 2, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - July 2, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 2, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by sarcasticgeographer - July 3, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 3, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 12:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 4, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 4, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 4, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 4, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 4, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 4, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 4, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 8:15 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by popeyespappy - July 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 4, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 5, 2013 at 7:10 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by _xenu_ - July 5, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 5, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 5, 2013 at 4:39 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Cato - July 5, 2013 at 4:47 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 5, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 5, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 6, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 6, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 7, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 7, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - July 7, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 7, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 7, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 7, 2013 at 6:55 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by FlyingNarwhal - July 4, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Walking Void - July 6, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 8, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Walking Void - July 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 8, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 8, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Anomalocaris - July 8, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 9, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by MindForgedManacle - July 9, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 9, 2013 at 6:08 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Red Celt - July 9, 2013 at 6:25 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 9, 2013 at 6:33 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 9, 2013 at 6:35 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 9, 2013 at 6:43 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 9, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 9, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by MindForgedManacle - July 9, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Walking Void - July 10, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 10, 2013 at 2:34 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 10, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 10, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 10, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 10, 2013 at 8:51 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Red Celt - July 10, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 10, 2013 at 8:13 am

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