RE: Government is Irrational.
July 1, 2013 at 11:00 am
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2013 at 11:19 am by Koolay.)
(July 1, 2013 at 10:07 am)LostLocke Wrote:(July 1, 2013 at 9:33 am)Koolay Wrote: Emotions are involuntary defence mechanisms of the person, behaviour however is not, and is always in control.And the alcoholic can stop drinking at any time? The smoker quit smoking? The addict can stop shooting up? The guy bouncing of the walls from too much coffee can stop drinking? The gambler can stop gambling?
The liar can stop lying at any time. The child abuser can stop abusing at any time. The thief can stop stealing at any time.
That's good to know. People can now stop wasting time and money on all these treatments and "just stop".
And apparently you've never heard of people doing things in a fit of rage.
Even the courts have a different degree of punishment when something is done in the heat of the moment. They recognize that people lose control under certain circumstances because their emotions take over their actions.
Well yes, of course they can stop - of course that person has to come to terms with whatever they are trying to suppress with their addictions and go through the process of mourning of whatever they lost.
Well yes, you can be provoked into doing something. Like if someone was insulting you and being verbally aggressive to you, and that person punched or smacked the provoker. That is less worse than if someone randomly punches someone in the street. But it's certainly not a good action on either side of the spectrum.
(July 1, 2013 at 10:54 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:(June 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm)Koolay Wrote: The government can steal and extort money from people and it is called 'taxation', if you do it, you are called a thief.
Taxes are dues paid for living in a civilization. They are not "theft".
The analogy is if a country were a condo association. We own our own condos (private property) but there is also "community space" (hallways, front lawn, depending on the size perhaps some amenities). The community space requires maintenance. This maintenance is paid for by monthly fees assessed to each owner, typically proportional with the square footage of each owners units. The money paid into the kitty is used to pay the collective bills of the community.
Definition of Stealing:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stealing
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
The government does not require permission to take resources. In fact, The average newborn in America has to pay a conservative estimate of $50,000 in fiscal debt (not including other liabilities), having signed no piece of paper, never voted - just purely forced to pay for the mistakes of others. That is literally deferred stealing from foetuses.
You are advocating for adult men to sell off foetuses to Chinese bankers.
And I guess to you, you would call a mafia extorting money from non violent business 'collecting collective bills of the Mafia's family- and if they don't like it, they should just either move, or suffer the consequences - hey! you don't have to support the mafia' that is what you are telling me right now.
Stealing is wrong, plain and simple. Nobody has the right to initiate force, just because the 'Government' has badges and blue costumes- doesn't mean shit.
The only freedom, is freedom from illusion.