Government is Irrational.

[Koolay]

Koolay, you aren't the first person to rant about the government. However, if you're here ONLY to do that, it amounts to intellectual masturbation and hypocrisy. Are you testing the waters for actual action? Are you here to present a call to arms? What exactly, are you doing, other than placing blame for the world's ills on "The They,"

I'm not so much ranting about 'government', government is just a made up word to avoid logic and morality. I am pointing out the logical and moral inconsistency of initiating force against another person and then saying initiating force is wrong. If it's Government, Mafia, Religion, Cult or whatever it is, it doesn't really matter what rhetoric is used, initiating force is still initiating force. Government just happens to have a monopoly on initiating violence.

I don't know what form the anarchic revolution will take, but hopefully it will be a gradual process, rather than a violent revolution.

so that you don't have to accept your own shortcomings, or get off your sofa and participate in the political process?

What shortcomings are you referring to?

Why would I try and change the government from the inside? that would be like joining the Mafia to turn it into a peaceful organisation. I will not contribute to violent people any more than I have to by compulsion. Me voting or getting politically involved is like a slave giving the slave master a complaint slip- I will not degrade myself like that, and pretend that my oppressors have any interest in freeing me or my fellow slaves.

I ask this because you are relying heavily on rhetoric-- emotional exaggeration, demonization of an unspecified enemy, etc. These are not the kinds of word normally used for debate. They are soapbox words, meant to sway others by any means necessary to one's cause. So what's your cause, and what do you have to offer as a leader for this cause?

You think so? Emotional of course, but unspecified? I have been very clear in my definitions that those that initiate force are the natural enemy of peaceful people.

Why do you assume I am proposing leadership? Do atheists need a leader? No, I just want people to live happy, successful lives free from those who wish to initiate violence upon them, the costume of the aggressor doesn't mean anything to the victims.