RE: Determinism Is Self Defeating
July 1, 2013 at 7:39 pm
(This post was last modified: July 1, 2013 at 7:44 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 1, 2013 at 7:30 pm)Koolay Wrote: I have always considered determinism to be completely irrational for the following reason:He or she could be wrong, doesn't affect determinism. Nor does your "changing your mind" in the vacuum that it was stated. In a deterministic universe, he or she has no "choice" but to argue for the positon...and you have no "choice" but to reject or accept the position.
If a determinist is trying to convince me to change my mind and accept determinism, then he or she is accepting that I have free will and can choose between accepting the two theories.
Quote:It's like someone talking to you, saying "you can't hear anything" - well if I can't hear then why are you talking to me? Doesn't that make you completely irrational?You can be irrational and right, or rational and wrong, you simply cant garauntee either or from that position.
Quote:It's as simple as that, to win a debate with a determinist you just need to let the determinist talk.We still have "responsibility" for our actions in a deterministic universe. It;s worked well enough for us up to this point...it;s just that the specifics of our "responsibility" changes (or doesn't).
The only reason why I think determinists have this position is not because of logical effort, (A child can tell you that an animal is different from a rock.) But it's more than likely that determinismt believes this to avoid responsibility for their actions, and let's face it, that's very attractive to some people.
In short
Determinism stands as the only position -in evidence- no matter how shitty you or I think it is, and no matter what you think people might "get away with". Maybe we'd really like to excuse ourselves from the only position in evidence (and maybe we're right) - but we have no reason to do so..we cannot garauntee any conclusion based upon this excuse.
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