RE: Government is Irrational.
July 2, 2013 at 2:23 pm
(This post was last modified: July 2, 2013 at 2:27 pm by Koolay.)
(July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm)bennyboy Wrote: You are defining the social contract as something which is entered into voluntarily. You say if you do not give your consent, you are not a member of that contract. However, the reality is that while you are voluntarily a member of a society, you implicitly accept that contract.
The definition of a society is a voluntary group of people.
" a voluntary association of individuals for common ends; especially : an organized group working together or periodically meeting because of common interests, beliefs, or profession"
Not what a government is. Government is as much part of society as a group of hostages are to the robbers.
You are incorrect. Stop deceiving people.
(July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Every time you stop at a red light, or walk past a jewelry store without smashing a display case and taking some gold, or allow a person to walk away who has insulted you, you are showing that you accept the terms, and are willing to abide by them.
Nothing to do with the government, I do that without threat of punishment. It's like a religious person saying to someone 'But if you don't have a religion, how would you have morals?'. You don't need punishment to follow a principled and peaceful life.
(July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm)bennyboy Wrote: If you do not like the rules
Nope. Government does not have any rules. It slowly takes away rights from those that are not part of the same gang.
(July 2, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Tonus Wrote:(July 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm)Koolay Wrote: You are degrading humans to machines, we are not machines and we have free will and we can stop the initiation of violence at any time.
On our own behalf, yes. A community of people who rely on pacifism is at the mercy of those who decide not to. Why would an aggressor worry about "the market" when he can simply force the non-violent to provide goods for him under the threat of abuse or death? I expect that a society that does away with an organized government will break down into smaller and smaller units that survive, not by turning to for-profit court systems, but by violently suppressing their neighbors.
There are more irrational people than rational, yes- so it would look something like that if governments ended today. But as treatment of children is improving, so will society. The best way to measure the rationality of a society is by the treatment of children, and so far we are seeing big leaps in the rights of children. So I would say what I am proposing would be mainstream in hundreds of years. All social changes are multi-generational, so I do not expect anarcho-capitalism to be embraced yet.
The only freedom, is freedom from illusion.