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Government is Irrational.
RE: Government is Irrational.
(July 2, 2013 at 2:23 pm)Koolay Wrote: The definition of a society is a voluntary group of people.

" a voluntary association of individuals for common ends; especially : an organized group working together or periodically meeting because of common interests, beliefs, or profession"

Not what a government is. Government is as much part of society as a group of hostages are to the robbers.

You are incorrect. Stop deceiving people.
Okay dude, look. If you are going to use definitions, be aware that other people have access to Google, too. Among the many definitions of that word, you've carefully selected the only one that supports your position.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/society


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(July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Every time you stop at a red light, or walk past a jewelry store without smashing a display case and taking some gold, or allow a person to walk away who has insulted you, you are showing that you accept the terms, and are willing to abide by them.

Nothing to do with the government, I do that without threat of punishment. It's like a religious person saying to someone 'But if you don't have a religion, how would you have morals?'. You don't need punishment to follow a principled and peaceful life.
Again, this is a selfish view. Government isn't all about you. It's about reconciling the needs of many people. Your argument also a strawman/red herring-- I didn't say you need government to do those things; I said that insofar as you follow the rules of society, you ARE an implicit party to the social contract.

You are arguing the wrong points. You are arguing that you aren't part of the social contract, while you clearly are-- because you don't understand what the word means. What you SHOULD be arguing is whether the current government provides a net benefit-- and if it does not, how to go about eliminating or replacing it. But none of this has anything to do with anarchy, which fails as soon as you bring more than about 3 people into social contact.
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Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Silver - June 29, 2013 at 8:08 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - June 29, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by paulpablo - June 29, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tartarus Sauce - June 29, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - June 30, 2013 at 1:03 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:06 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - June 30, 2013 at 1:30 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:15 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - June 30, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - June 30, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - June 30, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CapnAwesome - June 29, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 1, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 1, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 2, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Minimalist - June 29, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Minimalist - June 29, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by paulpablo - June 29, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tartarus Sauce - June 29, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 29, 2013 at 10:29 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by pineapplebunnybounce - June 29, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 12:47 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Silver - June 29, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 1:22 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by FlyingNarwhal - June 30, 2013 at 1:29 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 11:22 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - June 30, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - June 30, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 9:22 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Rahul - July 1, 2013 at 9:25 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by DeistPaladin - July 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Red Celt - July 9, 2013 at 4:39 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:38 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by FlyingNarwhal - June 30, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - June 30, 2013 at 1:52 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by _xenu_ - June 30, 2013 at 5:31 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - June 30, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by CleanShavenJesus - June 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 2:40 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Silver - June 30, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LastPoet - June 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tartarus Sauce - June 30, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - June 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - June 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by DeistPaladin - July 1, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Savannahw - July 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Savannahw - July 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by sarcasticgeographer - July 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Faith No More - July 2, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by LostLocke - July 1, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by sarcasticgeographer - July 1, 2013 at 6:18 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 1, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 1, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 2, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 2, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 2, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 2, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 3, 2013 at 7:19 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - July 2, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by cratehorus - July 2, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by The Grand Nudger - July 2, 2013 at 10:00 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 2, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by sarcasticgeographer - July 3, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 3, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 12:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 4, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 4, 2013 at 10:36 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 4, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 4, 2013 at 8:11 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by simplexity - July 4, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 4, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 4, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 4, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 4, 2013 at 8:15 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by popeyespappy - July 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 4, 2013 at 10:53 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 5, 2013 at 7:10 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by _xenu_ - July 5, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 5, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 5, 2013 at 4:39 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Cato - July 5, 2013 at 4:47 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 5, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 5, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 6, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 6, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 7, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 7, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Creed of Heresy - July 7, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Tonus - July 7, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 7, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 7, 2013 at 6:55 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by FlyingNarwhal - July 4, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Walking Void - July 6, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 7:42 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 8, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Walking Void - July 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 8, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 8, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by catfish - July 8, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Anomalocaris - July 8, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 8, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 8, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by bennyboy - July 9, 2013 at 12:19 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by MindForgedManacle - July 9, 2013 at 1:31 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 9, 2013 at 6:08 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Red Celt - July 9, 2013 at 6:25 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 9, 2013 at 6:33 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 9, 2013 at 6:35 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 9, 2013 at 6:43 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 9, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 9, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by MindForgedManacle - July 9, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Walking Void - July 10, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 10, 2013 at 2:34 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 10, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 10, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Koolay - July 10, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by genkaus - July 10, 2013 at 8:51 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by Red Celt - July 10, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Government is Irrational. - by little_monkey - July 10, 2013 at 8:13 am

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