Government is Irrational.

[bennyboy]

Again, this is a selfish view. Government isn't all about you.

Governments have killed hundreds of millions of people in the last 100 years.

But some guy on the internet criticizing government is who you deem selfish.

Humanity has flourished under many different kinds of governments. Does it look like we are in danger of extinction?

No. You have the mindset of a free man-- and that itself is one of the best products of government. Government provides enough social stabilty for you to sit around ranting, while your fridge is stocked and your power is working.

It's about reconciling the needs of many people.

No, it's not. It's about stealing and threatening to appease the narcissism of predators.

You keep saying that, and to some degree it's true that people with power tend to turn it to their own benefit. But let me ask you-- how many people have died on your street this week?

If you think working with a society's rules is so bad, go out into the jungle-- no roads that you are forced to pay for, no hospitals that you are forced to pay for, no police, no nothing. Build a society of one on your own, and tell me government provides no net benefit.

You are like the dumbasses who are against vaccination because people sometimes die or get sick from them. Instead of fixating on things that give you poopie pants, you have to consider the net benefit.

I said that insofar as you follow the rules of society, you ARE an implicit party to the social contract.

No I am not. Nobody owns me.

I follow the law because I would get thrown in a cage otherwise, it's got nothing to do with wanting to honour some false concept.

What you are saying has no relationship to what I'm saying.

You are arguing the wrong points. You are arguing that you aren't part of the social contract, while you clearly are--

Well whatever you want to call it, it is enforced upon me and if I don't comply I get thrown in a cage.

Because humanity, on average, doesn't want people like you running around doing whatever they want. That's kind of the point, actually.

current government provides a net benefit--

What's current got to do with it? Governments have never provided benefit, they have only dealt in destruction and fraud.

Stealing, hitting and propagandising people doesn't make the fruit grow. Violent people are just parasitical predators, they don't provide any benefit. Any more than a man taking another man's wallet in the alleyway is benefiting to an economy.

What you are completely missing is that the reason many Americans HAVE full wallets is that the government provides them enough stability and freedom to pursue plans to make money. Basically, "I'll make it possible for you to make enough money to live easily and have a holiday now and then, and you have to give me back 10%." It's a good deal, dude.

Go out into the jungle, where you will be 100% tax-free, and then show me how much money you have at the end of the year. Your total income will be a couple of coconuts and a case of crotch-rot.


I don't feel that this debate is likely to go anywhere, so I'm going to bow out at this point. My advice to you is this-- if you are really unhappy with your life, then take action to improve it. If you think the government is evil, then campaign-- or choose to ignore the country's laws-- or blow up a government building.

But all this won't change the fact that as soon as you have to work together with another 2 people, you're going to have to establish a provisional government.