(July 5, 2013 at 8:58 am)paulpablo Wrote:(July 4, 2013 at 6:12 pm)Koolay Wrote: Right but whatever you are saying right now is to convince people to change their minds for determinism, so you are a thousand times more illogical than anyone that believes in free will by your own definition.
Doesn't that make you way more illogical than me then? I believe in free will, so I have an actual reason for trying to convince people to accept the position. But you think people are like rocks, so you don't actually have a reason for interacting with anyone, you failed your own test of logic.
If you know I am a rock, what are you doing talking to that rock? Surely you are wasting your own time and my time.
You don't understand determinism.
Determinism doesn't mean you are a rock, or people are rocks, or that one person cannot convince someone of something or change somebodies mind about something.
If determinism had anything to do with this then no one would believe in it, since it's obvious that
(1) People aren't rocks.
(2) People can manipulate or convince people of ideas.
Determinism means that free will is an illusion because you were already predetermined to do whatever you are going to do and whatever you have done.
I know what it means, but where is the reason and evidence?
The only freedom, is freedom from illusion.
