Government is Irrational.

[genkaus]

Atleast its realistic.

Could you expand on this, why is it unrealistic for people to act voluntarily ?

It isn't. That's why your position is unrealistic. People always initiate violence voluntarily. History is full of examples of people voluntarily initiating violence upon others while the examples of doing so involuntarily are few and far in between.

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You are making a strange syllogism: anarchists act voluntarily, therefore all people who act voluntarily must be anarchists.

You see government as an impediment to liberty. This is true in a sense; certainly you cannot choose to do whatever you want to without restriction. To allow you this right would be to ask humanity to trust in your peaceful and honest nature.

That's fine for you. But I am not willing to extend this trust to all members of humanity. I've met a large cross section of our species, and a bigger group of selfish douchebags, lying thieves, and illogical bullshitters I could never hope to meet. If those pricks are free to act on their own logic, motivations, and education, then this will result in a net LOSS of liberty for me. And that's why we need government. Human beings are douchebags by nature, and we need a mechanism by which to limit that nature. And the ones who most want unlimited freedoms, in my opinion, are usually the biggest douchebags of all-- and I'm glad there is a government to keep them reigned in.

His idea is not only strange - it is illogical and unrealistic. Perfect liberty for all - liberty without rules and limits - is a self-contradictory principle. If I have the complete liberty to do whatever I want, then I should be able to do whatever I want with you and yours, which automatically imposes limits on your liberty. The only logical and realistic approach to liberty is that I should be able to do whatever I want within the limit of not encroaching upon you. Government is necessary to objectively identify, determine and impose these limits.