Determinism Is Self Defeating

[bennyboy]

Let me reiterate for the slow of comprehension.(I'm typing slowly so you can keep up)

Until such a time as you can make predictions that are 100% accurate then determinism is merely a hypothesis.

Do not equate evolution with determinism. They are not even in the same ballpark when it comes to evidence.

You could always type even slower whilst answering my questions. If that'd help.

Ego is a harsh mistress, eh, Zen Badger? You had the opportunity of admitting that you believe in supernatural forces altering the material world... or that you were wrong... but hell, no. Mustn't admit to any kind of defeat.

It reminds me of theistic dogmatism.

If that's your bag, then so be it.

That's the second time that I've seen you use this argument: "You could have admitted you're wrong. I tried." The problem is, you haven't proven your position, and so there's no reason for him to admit any such thing. When someone believes a position without being able to prove it, and pushes hard for that position to be the default, that pretty much defines dogma. So you might want to look in the mirror, there.

I don't think anybody said a magical fairy guides the material world, making it indeterminate. People are challenging your view of what nature is, and of how the material world works; they aren't even really saying that your view is known to be wrong-- only that it's unprovable. Conflating this natural skepticism with a strawman argument about woo-ism isn't really debating: it's an admission of an inability to debate. So if you're such a champion of science, why don't you show us what science you've either done or researched supporting your position? Otherwise, Zen and others will rightly concluded that you're speaking on a hunch, just like everyone else who enjoys discussing this kind of philosophical question.