RE: Government as a Religion
July 14, 2013 at 8:04 pm
(This post was last modified: July 14, 2013 at 8:37 pm by genkaus.)
(July 14, 2013 at 5:22 pm)Koolay Wrote: People don't really understand what this thread is about. This is philosophy, I.e, this is a discussion on principles and logic.
If only that was so. That would have made it so easy, because you are illogical and your principles are wrong.
(July 14, 2013 at 5:22 pm)Koolay Wrote: The fact that the vast majority of people are speaking about government goods and services, political parties, me personally, clearly shows many of you simply do not get philosophy on a fundamental level.
Philosophy, on a fundamental level, does not concern government. Any talk of government relevant to philosophy must come under political philosophy of which government goods and services as well as poli
tical parties are a part.
(July 14, 2013 at 5:22 pm)Koolay Wrote: I don't really care what you think maximises good, or what your opinions are. Is the Government a logically and morally consistent entity? I won't discuss anything other than that.
Only someone with no knowledge of philosophy can make such a foolish statement. There are many different governments and whether they are logically and morally consistent would depend upon the political philosophy they've been founded upon and how closely they follow it.
(July 14, 2013 at 5:30 pm)Koolay Wrote: There is only one philosophy. The same way there is only one science, only one math, only one logic.
2+2=4 "Well that's your math. You need to be more open minded to other people's math." That would be a completely ridiculous thing to say, as is saying that philosophy is subjective as you have just now.
That is not how logic works, either something is correct or not, which is what we are discussing here.
No, you ignorant fool. You cannot be more wrong.
There are many philosophies out there. The same way there are many sciences and many mathematics.
Especially with regards to maths, the body of mathematics you develop depends on your choice of axioms, such as Peano's postulates or Euclidean postulates. So yes, given the correct axioms, I can have 2+2=5 in mathematics. That doesn't make it subjective, but it does mean that there is more than one math.
And while we are at it, even logic isn't as singular as you think. Read up on "paraconsistent logic" within which things can be correct and not correct at the same time.
(July 14, 2013 at 5:46 pm)whateverist Wrote: Does anyone here besides Kool Aid think the question of whether government is a logically and morally consistent entity is at all interesting?
Nope. Because its a poorly formed statement. Government, as an abstract concept, wouldn't have qualities of being logical or moral. Government, as concrete examples, is not a singular entity that can be judged to be logical or moral by referring only to principles.
(July 14, 2013 at 5:50 pm)Koolay Wrote: So you are absolutely telling me that philosophy is subjective?
No.
(July 14, 2013 at 5:50 pm)Koolay Wrote: Doesn't that make philosophy absolute then?
And no.
(July 14, 2013 at 6:15 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: He's either a child, a troll, or mentally challenged...and I'm willing to entertain the notion of combinations of the three.
That would be a combined insult to children, trolls ans the mentally challenged everywhere.
