You might want to take a look at the recent arguments of Drew_2013.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-17075-po...#pid402174
and his official" argument,
http://atheistforums.org/thread-17548.html
He also took another stab at it from a slightly different angle after those two threads:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-18709.html
(I didn't pull the trigger on some of my main arguments, so it only went partway into the matter.)
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