(December 31, 2009 at 3:29 pm)A897 Wrote:(December 31, 2009 at 11:29 am)theVOID Wrote:(December 31, 2009 at 11:26 am)A897 Wrote:(December 31, 2009 at 11:22 am)theVOID Wrote:(December 31, 2009 at 11:12 am)A897 Wrote: i meant i missed the last sermon of last_ray...
It was something along the line of "Muhammad knew a simple observable fact, Muslims are too stupid in general to think for themselves therefore it must have come from Allah."
no wonder jesus is his son!
Technically no - Muslims proclaim that Jesus was but a prophet. I however proclaim that Jesus did not ever exist as a historical figure and emerged entirely from the lunacy we now know as St Peter.
yeah i know muslims believe jesus was only a prophet. I was referring it towards christens' point of view. i never thought that jesus can be a fictional character! but who wrote bible then??
Consider this:
The first writings to appear about Jesus came from St Paul 30 years after the alleged death of Christ who, while writing 18,000 words on the Christian religion apparently knew absolutely nothing about Mary, the Virgin birth, Joseph, Bethlehem, the wise men, John the Baptist, the miracles, Judas betrayal etc, all the things that we associate with the Jesus story. Paul only ever mentioned the crucifiction, death and resurrection of Jesus but he never once talked about them happening on earth nor mentioned the idea that Jesus was ever alive on this planet. He often talked of Jesus using sentences like (paraphrased) "Jesus, had he ever been to earth would certainly not have been a priest" implying that Jesus had never been to earth. This also supports the court testimony of one of the very early Christians Peter from which i believe it all started, in court peter never claimed Jesus was a man, he referred to him as a guiding star in the sky whom he conversed with and received instruction, so it was no wonder he was seen by the Roman authorities to be a nut-job who did nothing more than disagree with Jewish tradition.
The first time the back-story of Jesus was established was in Mark around 70AD which was in fact written by an anonymous Greek who's work was attributed to the disciple Mark, it is a similar story for the other gospel accounts which were also written much latter and, surprisingly, directly contradict each others version of events.
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