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Is this a UK based website?
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RE: Is this a UK based website?
(July 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Red Celt Wrote: If a libertarian feels the need to go on a long rant over something I've said, I know that my position is justified.
Pretty shitty reason to think your position is justified. Screw logic; if someone with a different political outlook to me disagrees, I must be right!

Quote:In the USA, you have a 2-party system. There are occasional independents, but they are always "also rans" rather than a real opportunity for something different. Of the 2 parties, take a look on a political spectrum indicator as to just how close both parties are. They are shoulder-to-shoulder on everything (with minimal differences), yet are painted as extremes with Obama seen as a communist because he is every so slightly to the left of Romney.
Erm, yeah. Have you seen the election results from the UK in recent years? The Liberal Democrats are holding on by a thread. UKIP made some interesting advances in recent years, but they still don't have an elected MP. The vast majority of MPs come from one of two parties, which are actually pretty close on the political spectrum as well (check out the distances here).

Quote:So, as a representative democracy, there is very little difference in the way of representation.
This can be said of pretty much any representative democracy. Even if there were a lot of diversity in the American political parties, you still have the underlying problem: there are 315 million people in the US, and there are 435 representatives in congress. Do some basic math: that's one representative for every 724,000 people. In the UK, it's a lot better, but it's still not a very fair representation (1 MP for every 97,000 people).

Quote:Not only that, but the presidency is a game of millionaires.
I can't find any information at the moment, but I'm pretty sure Obama wasn't a millionaire before he ran for president.

Quote:The cost of running for election is obscene.
Hence, one of the main reasons political parties are good ideas. Candidates can get support from the party even if they aren't rich, because the party can handle all the finances.

Quote:Individuals contribute to that expense, but the bulk of it comes from very rich business people who gain significant influence over the candidate. Even once a winning candidate is in power, they are always mindful of the next election 4 years later. They are working on the short term, never the long term.
I don't see how this is any different to MPs in the UK.

Quote:Compare that to the UK. I don't care how wealthy the royals are. Hell, give them more money. They can never be purchased.
Erm, yes they can. You honestly think people like Prince Charles aren't paid for their endorsements?

Quote:Their will isn't up for sale. And, even if it was, so what? Their power amounts to nothing, as the will of the people will never allow un-elected people to inflict their power as we'd very quickly become a republic if they did.
Their power amounts to quite a bit. Remember, the monarch controls both the parliament and the armed forces. She could, if she wanted, abolish parliament and declare martial law.

She actually uses her powers (in secret) quite often: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/...77422.html

Quote:Meanwhile, we have a prime minister who doesn't have the power to do anything without (figuratively) running it past the monarch - who owns the military.
I fail to see how this is a good thing. You are making the assumption that some un-elected official is better at making decisions for the citizens of a country than a person directly elected by the citizens themselves. It sounds like you are a fan of dictatorships. Well, I'm not. The great thing about elected officials is that if you think they are doing a bad job, you don't elect them next time.

Quote:It's antiquated, a little bit silly, but it works. It certainly works better than the USA model.
I think you have a misunderstanding of the problems with both systems.
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Is this a UK based website? - by Brian37 - July 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by kılıç_mehmet - July 16, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by DeistPaladin - July 16, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Nine - July 16, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Gilgamesh - July 16, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by zebo-the-fat - July 16, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Brian37 - July 16, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 18, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Cyberman - July 16, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by downbeatplumb - July 19, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Kayenneh - July 17, 2013 at 3:14 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Brian37 - July 17, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by NoraBrimstone - July 17, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by frankiej - July 17, 2013 at 9:30 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Doubting Thomas - July 17, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Creed of Heresy - July 17, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by DeistPaladin - July 17, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by CleanShavenJesus - July 17, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Re: Is this a UK based website? - by NoraBrimstone - July 17, 2013 at 12:09 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Tiberius - July 17, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Re: Is this a UK based website? - by NoraBrimstone - July 17, 2013 at 1:33 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Red Celt - July 17, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Tiberius - July 17, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Red Celt - July 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by DeistPaladin - July 17, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Brian37 - July 18, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Minimalist - July 17, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Tiberius - July 17, 2013 at 8:21 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Doubting Thomas - July 18, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Minimalist - July 18, 2013 at 12:29 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Creed of Heresy - July 18, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Red Celt - July 18, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Kayenneh - July 18, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Cyberman - July 19, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by downbeatplumb - July 21, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Is this a UK based website? - by Cyberman - July 21, 2013 at 9:11 pm

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