(July 18, 2013 at 12:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Clearly though, Zimmerman did get to the gun first. We have eye-witness testimony that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman, so even if it doesn't make sense to you, all the evidence seems to suggest it happened.
FFS, this is like training a cat to play piano.
Zimmerman said that Treyvon saw the gun, and went to grab it (with the intent of using it against him) and that Zimmerman (on his back, apparently semi-conscious from the assault) managed to get the gun first and used it. This is from Zimmerman - and nobody else. What we're supposed to believe is that Treyvon intended to shoot Zimmerman. That is utter bollocks. If Zimmerman was as impaired as he claimed to be, how did he get to the gun before Treyvon (in a position of considerable advantage) not manage to get to it before him? I would suggest that Treyvon never saw the gun and the Zimmerman is a liar. But hey... far be it from you to think something like that, eh?
(July 18, 2013 at 12:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: 1) Evidence suggests he wasn't followed.
2) Evidence suggests he wasn't ambushed; even the prosecution's witness denied this.
3) Using a gun for self defense is legal in the situation Zimmerman was in.
He left his truck, looking for Treyvon. I don't know what kind of dictionary you're using, but that means that he followed him. Or did he go in a completely random direction and (by utter chance) stumbled upon him? No. He followed him.
I've seen you repeatedly decry the whole "we don't need you to do that" when it was suggested that he had been told not to chase after Treyvon. It's pretty fucking clear that the operator was politely telling Zimmerman to get back into his truck and leave the pursuit to the authorities (who were on their way to the scene). But, no. You'll determine that he was told no such thing... that it wasn't an order (it was a heavy suggestion) and that everything Zimmerman did was reasonable.
Was it fuck. He acted like a moron.
(July 18, 2013 at 12:43 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Trayvon was a young African American, and according to Zimmerman, he was looking into people's houses.
From memory, he said no such thing during his conversation with the 911 operator. Happy to be proven wrong on that if you can link the audio and time-stamp. If he said that after the event, then I couldn't give a flying fuck. As I've repeatedly said, Zimmerman shouldn't be trusted wrt anything that was said after the event... because he was looking out for numero uno.
Seriously, Tiberius, next time there's a racially-motivated killing, you will be a shoe-in for jury service because you're so obviously race-neutral in all of this.