RE: Determinism Is Self Defeating
July 22, 2013 at 12:54 pm
(This post was last modified: July 22, 2013 at 12:56 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 22, 2013 at 10:36 am)bennyboy Wrote: I think this is being a bit tricky. You must also say that the prior state is sufficient cause for the current one. If state (1) has 4 possible (random) outcomes, and you arrive at state (2), I do not accept looking back at state (1) and saying it caused state (2) to be deterministic.All I did was quote from the response you gave me........
Quote:Of determinist, fatalist or "predeterminist," I am none of the above. To paraphrase the standard atheist statement: I lack any of these beliefs. That is because none of them is provable in any way, or to any degree, that I care about.None are proven. Provable would be en entirely separate claim. None of which has much to say on my only dog in the race, which is that it is a position -in evidence-.
Quote:All I really want to say about determinism is that I do not accept equivocation between scientific determinism (where, for example, two massive objects will always be attracted by the force of gravity) and a general philosophical determinism, whereby the state of all physical objects at time t is assumed to be sufficient cause for t+1.Could you elaborate on the difference between the two in the same way that I elaborated upon these three diff positions we've been bandying back and forth? Doesn't the example of t to t+ adequetely describe the event in the first example offered (two objects)? IOW, in the same way that I described a claim of predeterminism and how it would be incompatible with the other positions - can you describe a claim in which those two examples are at odds with each other?
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