Try God...

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Why not try transmitting a message with some actual content? It might help; so far your message has just been varying shades of "I'm right!" over and over.

Like what? i asked you what you needed for proof? And I never once said "I'm right."

Life is proof of life. Nothing else entails.

Well, then how do you explain "Life"? Science tells us: there was a beginning; there will be an end. But, "they" don't know what happened before, or what will happen after. What's you scientific, rational explanation?

And it's not the same with christians? I can't go out and find a million different interpretations of the bible, the religion, everything? The difference is that when presented with a difference of opinion, the atheist is honest and just accepts that we won't all agree on everything. You guys so often just dismiss any other viewpoints, assert that yours is right, and... that's it.

Don't pretend like your side is so unified, dude.

Is that a joke? We all believe in God...in your case(s) WhoTF knows?

If you want to prove something to be an objective fact... yeah, you will be held accountable to proving that it exists. Sorry, that's just the way claims work. Now, without any form of example it's hard to really respond to this, but since atheism isn't making a truth claim, only a belief one, then we aren't required to provide proof. Unless you want us to prove that we don't believe in a god?

Meanwhile, you're claiming that god does exist, and that you know it. Not just that you believe it. Claims to knowledge require evidence: if you can't show it, you don't know it, to quote Aronra.

Unless you and the others can explain every mystery in Life, the burden of proof is on you that God doesn't exist.

And you will continue to be wrong.

Good. "Spiritual reasoning" is just a nicer way of saying "unsubstantiated, loudly asserted nothings."

So again, what you don't see is proof that it doesn't exist? When you read your statement back...don't you feel a little embarrassed?

Also note that I didn't once resort to ridicule, I just asked what makes you so sure of your position.

You come damn near it.... but what makes you so sure of your position? How can you [also] make statements w/o knowing? At least I have personal experience to prove my Faith. What do you have? Nothing...literally nothing.

Perhaps your bible writers should have constructed a better fictional canon for their main character. As it stands, the whole thing is riddled with inconsistencies.

Better yet, perhaps you apologists could construct some decent arguments. Pointing out the inconsistencies in the shit you spout isn't the same as an unprovoked attack.

And the shit you spout isn't an attack? Or is it ridicule of something you don't understand? Just because Einstein discovered the theory of relativity, doesn't mean YOU would've ever found it...or understood it!

Yet you BELIEVE IT? Or maybe he is wrong? Would you know that? Do a search on how many scentific facts over time were proven wrong!

So, your argument is less effective than mine! Because you just don't know!

Once again, personal experience isn't evidence.

To you. But you don't know the way to a personal experience with God, because your bias and closed-mindedness blocks you from it.

You act like there's never been a religious deconvert. What would you say to all the devout religious followers that have become atheists? All the members of the Clergy Project, for example?

I only know of TWO semi-famous clergy that became an atheist. One died of cancer not to long ago, the other is dying from cancer.

If any clergy, or religious has turned to atheism, I would think there was nothing there to begin with.

But, this isn't about religion. It's about "personal" relationships with God. We are NOT saved in groups. We are saved indiviually, by ONE individual. Jesus Christ! Amen!