(July 24, 2013 at 10:45 am)ronedee Wrote: No theist says "we don't have an answer"...or "we don't know yet"! That's what agnostics and "certain" atheists say!
Yes, that's the problem: you assert knowledge, when what you really have are beliefs. If you can't show it, you don't know it, and you theists have never been able to show a single damn thing that is truthful about your god claims.
Quote:You are the one w/o "proof"!
And that is why you were told (and misunderstood) that you don't understand the burden of proof; you are the one making the claim, therefore you are the one required to prove it. The atheist saying "I don't believe you," requires no proof.
We just don't believe your unevidenced assertions.
Quote:that is the point! You don't know..... or want to know. You [all] are in the minority that don't believe.
Three things. One, yes, we are intellectually honest enough to say we don't know; we won't lie and claim our beliefs are true without evidence like you are. Two, stop with all this "want to know," crap. It's just a comforting lie you tell yourself to silence that little voice in your head that asks "what if what I'm presenting just isn't convincing?" Three, so what? The majority isn't always right. The majority once thought the earth was flat. Your god belief is just the next receding mass delusion.
Quote:The proof is that everything material "exists".
"Stuff exists, therefore god." Really. Fucking really?
Quote: The proof is that there was a beginning,
Not necessarily. Our current universe began to exist, but there's always the possibility that it is eternal, and existed in some other state before the big bang. How do you intend to prove your assertion?
Quote: and there will certainly be an end.
To our current universe, yes. Do you intend to prove your knowledge claim as to what lies beyond that?
Quote: Something, or someone was responsible for life to begin.
Yep, and we have scientific evidence to prove that the underpinnings of life can uprise from purely natural means. See, that's... you know, evidence?
Quote:You choose to think that life just appeared from nothing. That is a logically false assertion.
It's also a strawman. Don't try bullshitting us, we've eaten these arguments a long time ago. Find me a single atheist that has ever said "life came from nothing!" or admit that you're just lying.
Quote:[Time] itself is evidence of that!
Wow, that's one hell of a non sequitur...
Quote:Most of the world choose to believe God created life....
And atheists understand that what you choose to believe means approximately dick, because the universe won't rearrange itself to meet your expectations of it.
Quote: some because there is no other answer available.
No, no: because they haven't taken the time to study and understand the real, demonstrable evidence for the actual answers, nor are they comfortable with the plain truth that occasionally, we don't know everything.
Quote:I look around and see the evidence EVERYWHERE! You stick your head up your.....eh.... in the sand and say I can't see anything!
Can you demonstrate your god? Not just say "look at all these things! Gee, I wonder who put these things here?!" But actually demonstrate that your specific god caused it to happen? No? I didn't think so.
Believe it or not, but the things you use to back up the presuppositions you already have mean very little.
Quote:Who cares? Most pedaphile preists are now atheists too! You can have em....Good riddens.
Oh my, that seems like one of those things you'd need to provide evidence for. Do you have any?

Quote:Are you acting stupid, or are you just dumb? Pick one please!
What else would you call god just waving his hands and creating stuff?
See, that's the thing: you guys are all too quick to rely on the staid godidit answer, but the truth is, that doesn't explain anything at all, now does it? Because I notice none of you are able to tell us how god created things, what the actual processes were. You're awfully quick to tell us how it couldn't have happened, but when it comes to actually providing details for your fairy stories, suddenly you get all quiet...

It's almost like you don't have any actual answers at all!
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