Try God...

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Yes, that's the problem: you assert knowledge, when what you really have are beliefs. If you can't show it, you don't know it, and you theists have never been able to show a single damn thing that is truthful about your god claims.

And you assert knowledge where there is NONE! What is the Truth?

Unless you have an answer as to how "life" came about, you can't disprove that God created it.

And that is why you were told (and misunderstood) that you don't understand the burden of proof; you are the one making the claim, therefore you are the one required to prove it. The atheist saying "I don't believe you," requires no proof.

We just don't believe your unevidenced assertions.

And you are making the claim there is no God. Yet you don't have an answer as to how everything exists.

Let me ask you again.... How did everything come into existence? Unless you can give me a concise answer then you have no grounds for saying that God doesn't exist! Simple.

Three things. One, yes, we are intellectually honest enough to say we don't know; we won't lie and claim our beliefs are true without evidence like you are. Two, stop with all this "want to know," crap. It's just a comforting lie you tell yourself to silence that little voice in your head that asks "what if what I'm presenting just isn't convincing?" Three, so what? The majority isn't always right. The majority once thought the earth was flat. Your god belief is just the next receding mass delusion.

I have "personal" evidence of God. So do most who love Him. That's the way He works!

I asked you in another thread (which you people just swap responses like musical chairs) you never answered:

What evidence do you need to fall to your knees and worship God?

"Stuff exists, therefore god." Really. Fucking really?

Why not God? Because you can't see Him? He doesn't fit your idea of a God? You know better than a GOD?!

Not necessarily. Our current universe began to exist, but there's always the possibility that it is eternal, and existed in some other state before the big bang. How do you intend to prove your assertion?

To our current universe, yes. Do you intend to prove your knowledge claim as to what lies beyond that?

Yep, and we have scientific evidence to prove that the underpinnings of life can uprise from purely natural means. See, that's... you know, evidence?

Brush-up on your astrophysics. There are many, many things uncertain in the universe, but the one thing that is certain is: "Everything in the universe [came into existence] from [infinite density]" (aka as small as it is now large)!!! Do you have any concept of that statement? The universe [was nothing]! And [came into existence]! You ask by what? I say by who.

It's also a strawman. Don't try bullshitting us, we've eaten these arguments a long time ago. Find me a single atheist that has ever said "life came from nothing!" or admit that you're just lying.

Are you kidding me? You have more flavours of atheism around here than Baskin & Robbins!

And atheists understand that what you choose to believe means approximately dick, because the universe won't rearrange itself to meet your expectations of it.

No. God arranged it so that those who believe would stand out from the fools that believe they know His will.

No, no: because they haven't taken the time to study and understand the real, demonstrable evidence for the actual answers, nor are they comfortable with the plain truth that occasionally, we don't know everything.

Then how could you make a case against God if you don't know it all?

Can you demonstrate your god? Not just say "look at all these things! Gee, I wonder who put these things here?!" But actually demonstrate that your specific god caused it to happen? No? I didn't think so.

Believe it or not, but the things you use to back up the presuppositions you already have mean very little.

As I have said over and over again. God is there for those would want Him. This life isn't about God serving man! He gave us life, and a choice. You choose NOT to believe. And until you actually look for Him, you won't find Him.

I could tell you miracle after miracle answered by God...but you still wouldn't believe me... or anyone for that matter.

It's almost like you don't have any actual answers at all!

But then again... I could say the same for you.

What answers have you provided to me that God doesn't exist?