(August 2, 2013 at 8:39 am)Red Celt Wrote: Aaaaand... the loop is closed.The loop would be closed if Zimmerman had used his gun on Treyvon because he was acting suspicious. There is no evidence to suggest that. Rather, Zimmerman used his gun on Treyvon because Treyvon was beating him up.
Again, there is nothing wrong with having a gun in your car, or on your person, and thinking someone is acting suspicious. Unless you think thought crime is a thing that should be legislated against? I don't know, maybe you do.
What is wrong is when you think someone is suspicious, and then decide to use your gun on them because of it. Simply being suspicious is not a good reason to shoot someone. Having someone attack you and beat you up is.
(August 2, 2013 at 10:29 am)CleanShavenJesus Wrote: Yeah, but some idiot going around with a gun, ready to use said gun, thinking a kid is suspicous....leads to him taking the law into his own hands and using the gun!What do you mean by "going around with a gun"? There is no evidence Zimmerman had it in his hand when he got out of the car. He had it on his person, sure, but evidence shows he almost always carried it around, so it wasn't like this was some special circumstance. Additionally, when the police dispatcher said they didn't need him to follow Treyvon, Zimmerman replied "OK" and says that he lost sight of Treyvon and tried to find a number for the police to meet him at. This is also backed up by the location of Zimmerman's car in relation to the shooting.
Quote:I just have trouble understanding that you think it's fine for someone armed with a firearm to stalk another person because this someone thinks this person "looks suspicious". The situation can't lead to anything good; it's only logical that that it leads to very bad things.I don't think it's fine for someone to stalk another person...ever. However, Zimmerman wasn't stalking Treyvon by any definition of that word. Stalking is repetitive. Zimmerman allegedly followed Treyvon...once. He also lost sight of him, as revealed by the 911 call. The distances between Zimmerman's car and the site of the shooting back up Zimmerman's version of events, that he stopped trying to find Treyvon after the police said they didn't need him to, and that Treyvon doubled back to confront Zimmerman.
It is fine to follow someone if you think they are acting suspicious. You may be able to get a better look at them for the police. This was the leader of the neighborhood watch, and there had been burglaries in the neighborhood, with suspects being African American teens. Of course he is going to be suspicious of an unfamiliar African American teen walking around in the rain.