Social Approval or Principles?

[Koolay]

I can give you a better example, of people that believe in the non aggression principle vs. statists, who believe the government initiating force is right. We are vastly outnumbered, and whenever I bring up the logical arguments for the non aggression principle, I just get attacked, insulted, and ostracised for questioning the ethics of a centrally coercive entity. So I don't think many people on this forum care about the principle of atheism, which is rationality, if they can't apply that rationality to other areas. It shows they don't get something fundamental, and/or don't want to.

Statetheists is a better word.

The reason you get "attacked, insulted and ostracized" is because your arguments are not logical or rational. The flaws of your argument and their utter ridiculousness has been pointed out over and over again. The false premises (e.g. government initiates force), flawed reasoning and abysmally poor understanding of the concepts involved have been shown repeatedly - but instead of trying to correct them, you dogmatically stick to your byline and keep on repeating the same crap over and over and over again. You are the one who has traded in logic and reasoning for nonsensical anarchist dogma and your failure to understand this fundamental fact about yourself has made you the laughing stock of the forum.

That is not true. It is logically impossible to refute private property.

The state initiates force, while says it is wrong for other people outside the government to initiate force. This fails Socratic reasoning.

Hardly anyone has come up with any actual arguments,

The majority of what you consider arguments go something like this: 'We think it is okay for an entity to initiate force because we like it, and if you don't like it you can go move to a forest'. That's nothing.

The initiation of force is rationally, morally and logically incorrect. Since you can't have exceptions to a principle, if people in the government think it's wrong to steal, great, then they can't steal themselves and call it 'tax'. They are violating their own test of morality, by the state's own definition they are evil.