(August 5, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Koolay Wrote: That is not true. It is logically impossible to refute private property.
Actually, it is pretty easy. Present you so-called 'logical' argument and see me refute it.
(August 5, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Koolay Wrote: The state initiates force, while says it is wrong for other people outside the government to initiate force. This fails Socratic reasoning.
Except, the state does not initiate force. Initiating force is wrong for people outside the government as well as inside the government.
(August 5, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Koolay Wrote: Hardly anyone has come up with any actual arguments,
The majority of what you consider arguments go something like this: 'We think it is okay for an entity to initiate force because we like it, and if you don't like it you can go move to a forest'. That's nothing.
Wrong. The actual argument provided is: "The state does not initiate force. The taxes it collects from you is the money you owe in exchange for basic services and security. If you don't pay your taxes then you are the one initiating force by physically withholding what rightfully belongs to the state and then the state is rightfully retaliating against the your initiation of force. If you don't want to pay the taxes, then move to a forest."
(August 5, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Koolay Wrote: The initiation of force is rationally, morally and logically incorrect.
Prove it.
(August 5, 2013 at 1:21 pm)Koolay Wrote: Since you can't have exceptions to a principle, if people in the government think it's wrong to steal, great, then they can't steal themselves and call it 'tax'. They are violating their own test of morality, by the state's own definition they are evil.
Which is why they don't steal. Taxes are what you owe them in return for the police, military, roads and so on.
