Social Approval or Principles?

[genkaus]

We all own private property because we own our bodies and the actions of our body- by definition we own our body. So if someone kidnaps you, that is violating human property. You also own the actions of your body, I.e, if I build a house, and someone decides to take and destroy that house, that is a violation of my private property.

Your argument is defeated at two levels. Firstly, you haven't shown that you own your body. And no - it is not true by definition and it is not self-evident. "We made your sorry ass." Your parents say "We clothed you and fed you and kept you alive all these years - we own atleast half of your body". "We gave you a context to exist in." Says the society "We gave you all the knowledge and all the benefits of technological advancement that have become a part of your existence - we own about 10% of your body". "We kept you safe" Says the government "We made sure nobody murdered you in your sleep. We own about 5%".


Secondly, even if your premise was true, that is all you'd own - your body and your actions. You do not own anything else. You do not own the the ground where you are building your house, you do not own the bricks, you do not own the concrete. You do not have the right to act on any of those and if your actions affect any of the things that you do not own - you are the one initiating force. And since you did not own the ground, the bricks or the concrete you acted upon them wrongfully to build your house - and therefore I can destroy it without violating your private property - because the simple fact of your having acted upon it does not make it your property.

If someone says 'private property is invalid' they are using private property to communicate that message, they own their lips, and they own the sound waves their mouth produces. So it becomes logically invalid immediately as the person arguing against private property uses private property to communicate that message.

Only a moron would make a statement like "private property is invalid/valid". That's like saying: a ball makes no sense.

Secondly, I'm not using private property, I'm using public property. My body, my lips and my sounds belong to everyone in the public. Anyone is welcome to come and use them - within limitations given by the government, ofcourse - including me. However, since I'm the only one who can use it in that way, I'm the only one currently using it - that does not change the fact that it actually belongs to the public.

Except, the state does not initiate force.

Nowhere does it say that this is initiation of force. It could just as easily be retaliation.