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The Quran - A Miracle
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
(August 6, 2013 at 1:20 pm)viocjit Wrote: Your holy book is false for the next reasons.

1.The legend tell that Allah wrote this book. The angel Jibril appeared to Muhammad and learn to him how recitate each surah.
2.The Qur'an was not wrote by a God because it say that a first man did existed (2:30-2:34).
3.The science say that there are never been a first man. Look information about evolution theory.
4.23:12 this verse say that the bones appear before the flesh. But this is false.
5.How a God can be wrong ?

Ill answer point 4:

You misquoted the verse. The verse is:


وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَىٰ قَوْمِهِ فَقَالَ يَا قَوْمِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ مَا لَكُم مِّنْ إِلَـٰهٍ غَيْرُهُ ۖ أَفَلَا تَتَّقُونَ
فَقَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِن قَوْمِهِ مَا هَـٰذَا إِلَّا بَشَرٌ مِّثْلُكُمْ يُرِيدُ أَن يَتَفَضَّلَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَوْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ لَأَنزَلَ مَلَائِكَةً مَّا سَمِعْنَا بِهَـٰذَا فِي آبَائِنَا الْأَوَّلِينَ


then We placed him as a Nutfah in a safe place. Then We made that Nutfah into a Alaqah, and then We made that Alaqah into a Mudghah, and We made that Mudghah into bones, and We clothed those bones with flesh, and later We made him into other forms. Glory be to God the best of creators. [Quran 23:13-14]

WHAT WAS CREATED FIRST, BONES OR FLESH?

Commentators on the quranic description of the developing human embryo claim the Qur’an portrays an inaccurate succession of events with regards to the bones and the clothing of the flesh. They declare that bone and muscle formations occur simultaneously, and that the Qur’an uses the connective particle fa, which in the context of the verse, indicates a quick succession of one thing happening after the other. For instance the Qur’an says “We made that lump into bones, and (fa) We clothed those bones with flesh”.

This view represents a misunderstanding of the linguistic context of the verse. The Qur’an’s use of the particle fa is not in the context of creating; rather, it is in the context of clothing the bones with flesh. The Qur’an does not specify when the flesh (or muscles) were formed; it only specifies when the clothing of the limb bones with flesh happens. This, as John Allan and Beverley Kramer explain, is straight after:
Soon after the cartilaginous models of the bones have been established, the myogenic cells, which have now become myoblasts, aggregate to form muscle masses on the ventral and dorsal aspects of the limbs.[1]

A significant clarification to make is that this contention, incorrect as it is, is also not based on a consensus amongst embryologists. According to many embryologists limb bone and muscle formation are not simultaneous. For example embryologist Bruce Carlson confirms that the limb bones are formed before the limb muscles:

The skeleton is the first major tissue of the limb to show overt signs of differentiation.[2]

[1]Ibid.
[2] Bruce M Carlson. Human Embryology and Developmental Biology. 4th Edition. Mosby. 2008, page 224.

(August 6, 2013 at 10:25 am)ChadWooters Wrote: What currently unknown scientific discoveries does the Koran predict?

I got asked this on another website. Still reading up.
Allah says in the Qur'an:

ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi

Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 6, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Chas - August 6, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Tonus - August 6, 2013 at 10:21 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Neo-Scholastic - August 6, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 6, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 6, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 6, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Chas - August 6, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 7, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 8, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by genkaus - August 6, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ITChick - August 6, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 6, 2013 at 11:07 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by MikeTheInfidel - August 6, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by LostLocke - August 6, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 6, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 6, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Tonus - August 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Jackalope - August 10, 2013 at 9:23 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Jackalope - August 10, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Anomalocaris - August 6, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by viocjit - August 6, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by genkaus - August 6, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 6, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 7, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 7, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Doubting Thomas - August 7, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 7, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by LostLocke - August 7, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 7, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 8, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 8, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cato - August 7, 2013 at 11:20 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 8, 2013 at 7:18 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 10, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 8, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by downbeatplumb - August 8, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 8, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 10, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 14, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Chas - August 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by KichigaiNeko - August 15, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 15, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 15, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 15, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 15, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by freedomfromforum - August 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 15, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 15, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 15, 2013 at 5:05 pm

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