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The Quran - A Miracle
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
Quote:Forgot the password :-P and the Email

You mean "allah" couldn't help you find your password? Some god.

The Divine Tiberius could have done it in a heartbeat.


Meanwhile:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CJ/CJ531.html

Quote:Claim CJ531:
The Qur'an speaks of an expanding universe. It says (51:47), "And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it." This indicates the Qur'an's divine origin and thus its accuracy.
Source:
Yahya, Harun, n.d. Miracles of the Qur'an, http://www.harunyahya.com/miracles_of_the_quran_01.php
Response:

The translation above is mistaken or at best forced. Better translations of the last clause are "we are the ones who enrich it" (Pangloss 2003) or "we it is who made the vast extent" (Pickthall n.d.).

The following verse (51:48) says, "And the earth We have laid out." Suras 51:47-48 appear to be a rough translation of Isaiah 42:5: "Thus says God, the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread forth the earth and what comes from it. . . ." If divine origin is imputed on the basis of these verses, credit should go to the Bible, not the Qur'an.

The expansion interpretation was not noticed until after the expansion of the universe was well known through scientific observations. If Allah meant the Qur'an to indicate an expanding universe, the verse indicates that He was not competent to communicate clearly.

Links:
Pangloss, Abdul-Kalaam, 2003. The Qur'an and the Big Bang. http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/bigbang.html
References:

Pangloss, 2003. (see above)
Pickthall, Marmaduke, n.d. The Meaning of the Glorious Koran, New York: Dorset Press.

I'm sure "allah" admires your attempts to lie for him...or would if he existed.
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The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 6, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Chas - August 6, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Tonus - August 6, 2013 at 10:21 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Neo-Scholastic - August 6, 2013 at 10:25 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 6, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 6, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 6, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Chas - August 6, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 7, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 8, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by genkaus - August 6, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ITChick - August 6, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 6, 2013 at 11:07 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by MikeTheInfidel - August 6, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by LostLocke - August 6, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 6, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 6, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Tonus - August 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Jackalope - August 10, 2013 at 9:23 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 6, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Jackalope - August 10, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Anomalocaris - August 6, 2013 at 12:50 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by viocjit - August 6, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by genkaus - August 6, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 6, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 7, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 3:12 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 3:57 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 7, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Doubting Thomas - August 7, 2013 at 5:39 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 7, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 6:14 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 7, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 7:58 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:16 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 7, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by LostLocke - August 7, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 7, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 8, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pocaracas - August 8, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cato - August 7, 2013 at 11:20 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 8, 2013 at 7:18 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by ThatMuslimGuy2 - August 10, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 8, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by downbeatplumb - August 8, 2013 at 1:35 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 8, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 10, 2013 at 7:04 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Minimalist - August 10, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 14, 2013 at 11:36 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Chas - August 14, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by KichigaiNeko - August 15, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 15, 2013 at 10:17 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 15, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 15, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 15, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by freedomfromforum - August 15, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 15, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by Cyberman - August 15, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: The Quran - A Miracle - by paulpablo - August 15, 2013 at 5:05 pm

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