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What is Your Approach?
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RE: What is Your Approach?
(August 8, 2013 at 11:27 am)Locke Wrote:
(August 8, 2013 at 11:21 am)Faith No More Wrote: Others have already addressed this issue, but since it appears(I say "appears" because many before you have feigned interest in order to proselytize) that you honestly are interested in hearing the other side of the debate, I felt I would add my $0.02.

By the wording you have used in the section I have quoted it seems that you share the common misbelief that atheism is the stance that god does not exist, when, in fact, it is the position that the burden of proof that lies with those that claim god does exist has not been met. So, the term "atheist" does not denote the claim that a person makes about the existence of god, merely that it does not accept the claim that god does exist. Some atheists do claim that god does not exist, and those atheists are labeled "gnostic atheists," while that stake no claim are labeled "agnostic atheists." The majority of atheists I have encountered(so what appears to be a majority) are of the agnostic variety.

The big problem I have discovered, however, is that many theists take the agnostic atheist postion as one of intellectual cowardice when it is actually a position of intellectual honesty. They believe that it is an attempt to avoid having to defend any claims when it is actually the position that we don't have enough clear evidence make any claims in the first place. For some reason, many theists think that we must draw a conlcusion on god's existence based on the evidence before us, but these people need to realize that the conclusion drawn by agnostic atheists is that the evidence is insufficient.

In that case an agnostic atheist is exactly the same as an agnostic - you simply added an extra category. As far as division of belief I don't see the point. If you're classsfying Atheist as a social group I guess its necessary, but thats not really helping answer the question. The word 'Atheist' comes from the Greek a- not, and theos- God. It is the belief that there is no God. This isn't complicated stuff..

The Greek prefix 'a-' also means 'without'. Etymologically, 'atheist' means 'person without god' or more literally, 'without-god person'. Etymologically, it does not mean 'person who insists no gods exist'. It's only as complicated as you make it.

One could be an agnostic theist (don't know, still believe). Many are. Certainty is not a prerequisite to be a theist or an atheist.

You might think of it as a spectrum of answers to the question: does God exist?

Gnostic theist: definitely.
Agnostic theist: probably.
Agnostic Agnostic: I'd say fifty/fifty.
Agnostic atheist: probably not.
Gnostic theist: definitely not.

I know I'll probably get some flack for bringing in probability assessments or allowing for 'true' agnostics in the middle (you can make a case that the 'agnostic agnostic' is still an atheist) but thinking of it this way is a rule-of-thumb that will carry you pretty far.
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What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Crossless1 - August 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Nine - August 7, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Cato - August 8, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 8, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by pocaracas - August 8, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Angrboda - August 8, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 4:58 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by downbeatplumb - August 7, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 7, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 7, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Terr - August 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ManMachine - August 7, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Crossless1 - August 8, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 8, 2013 at 7:56 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Terr - August 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - September 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 8, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 8, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Kayenneh - August 8, 2013 at 1:00 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Cato - August 8, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Angrboda - August 8, 2013 at 4:20 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 4:22 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 4:23 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 10:44 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by bennyboy - August 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 8, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 8, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:29 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 8, 2013 at 7:31 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Minimalist - August 8, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:01 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Esquilax - August 9, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:20 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:41 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 9, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 2:32 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:40 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 4:21 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 5:11 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 5:34 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 7:18 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 5:48 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 7:28 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 7:34 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 7:49 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 10, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 11, 2013 at 12:44 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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