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What is Your Approach?
RE: What is Your Approach?
(August 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: We agree on an attribute of God, so can move on to another truth.

We make sense of the universe through logic, in that sense, as it appears to us, it is logical. Therefore, we will say that whatever preceeded the universe, if we were ever able to know it, would be understood by using the same method, logic.

At what point did we say that God is implied by any of this?

Logic is contingent upon a mind. Something being true or not true is not. The true-ness of a statement is noncontingent upon anything. You seem to be equivocating a bit here Frodo.

The Universe either is, or isn't. In the abscence of a mind, The Universe can still be or not be. But it can't be both at the same time in the same way. None of this is at all contingent upon a mind. The ability to comprehend it, is. That's something much different and not at all a necessary thing for the universe to have began, or continue.
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What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Crossless1 - August 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Nine - August 7, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Cato - August 8, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 8, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by pocaracas - August 8, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Angrboda - August 8, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by downbeatplumb - August 7, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 7, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 7, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Terr - August 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ManMachine - August 7, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Crossless1 - August 8, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 8, 2013 at 7:56 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 11:21 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - September 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 8, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 8, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Kayenneh - August 8, 2013 at 1:00 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Cato - August 8, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Angrboda - August 8, 2013 at 4:20 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 4:22 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 4:23 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 3:26 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 5:48 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 8, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 4:34 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 8, 2013 at 4:54 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 5:03 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:29 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 8, 2013 at 7:31 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Minimalist - August 8, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:01 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Esquilax - August 9, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:20 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Chas - August 9, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 1:28 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 5:55 am
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 9:44 am
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