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What is Your Approach?
RE: What is Your Approach?
(August 9, 2013 at 1:41 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote:
(August 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Nature is God.

I don't need to show that. The question is superfluous. No believer needs to prove anything to himself in those terms, or his faith is unfounded/ rather his belief is based upon absolute knowledge. That isn't religious faith.

Faith, in the Christian tradition, is acting upon information that you trust to be true. All three conditions are essential. Information, trust and action.
So God is natural?

Bravo to you both. I quite like this result.

(August 9, 2013 at 1:46 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(August 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Nature is God.

Then your god is not a conscious being, has no mind, and thus could not create anything purposefully. You have a useless god concept.

We already have a word for it, and that word is nature. Why call it god?
that, again? Seriously.

I suspect it boils down to whether you see the universe/nature as endowed with teleology or not. If you think we have gotten to the point we are through some intentionality, there is room for god. Personally, I doubt that, but I see no contradiction in affirming it either. The evidence is inconclusive for either perspective. So at the level of hunches, to each his own. (Nothing rides on it so far as I can tell.)
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What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 7, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Crossless1 - August 7, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Nine - August 7, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 7, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Cato - August 8, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 8, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by pocaracas - August 8, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Angrboda - August 8, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by pineapplebunnybounce - August 7, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by downbeatplumb - August 7, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 7, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 7, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Minimalist - August 7, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 7, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 7, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Terr - August 7, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ManMachine - August 7, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 7, 2013 at 11:59 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Crossless1 - August 8, 2013 at 1:12 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 7:12 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 8, 2013 at 7:56 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Terr - August 11, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - September 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by FifthElement - August 8, 2013 at 12:48 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 11:27 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 8, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 8, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 12:17 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 8, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:07 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Kayenneh - August 8, 2013 at 1:00 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 1:08 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Cato - August 8, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Angrboda - August 8, 2013 at 4:20 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 4:22 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 4:23 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Esquilax - August 8, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 10:44 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by bennyboy - August 8, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by bennyboy - August 8, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Mister Agenda - August 8, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 3:05 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 8, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by JesusHChrist - August 8, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 8, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Faith No More - August 8, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 8, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 7:01 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 8, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 8, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 8, 2013 at 7:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Minimalist - August 8, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 8, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 2:25 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Esquilax - August 9, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 12:23 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 9, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Chas - August 9, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 9, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Whateverist - August 9, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 2:32 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Esquilax - August 9, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by ITChick - August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tonus - August 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 4:53 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 9, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 9, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Captain Colostomy - August 9, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 4:21 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Tea Earl Grey Hot - August 9, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 9, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 9, 2013 at 5:19 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Wallaby - August 9, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by bennyboy - August 10, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 3:50 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 5:27 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 5:34 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 7:05 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 7:17 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 7:18 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 5:55 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 6:48 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 7:28 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 7:49 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rayaan - August 10, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Silver - August 10, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 10, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Locke - August 11, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by CleanShavenJesus - August 11, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by fr0d0 - August 10, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 10, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Bad Writer - August 11, 2013 at 12:47 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 11, 2013 at 12:54 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 11, 2013 at 2:49 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 11, 2013 at 5:42 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 11, 2013 at 5:58 pm
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RE: What is Your Approach? - by Rahul - August 11, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: What is Your Approach? - by The Reality Salesman - August 12, 2013 at 5:29 am
RE: What is Your Approach? - by Angrboda - September 6, 2013 at 10:39 pm
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