(August 10, 2013 at 5:48 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Yes Rayaan I've said before... God has to be more than nature. As actuality only God is everything. Everything emanating from him has to be lesser than him.
Okay, then - we agree on that.
(August 10, 2013 at 5:48 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You took my statement too literally.
I suppose I did, but I think you should have made that statement a little more clear also.
(August 10, 2013 at 5:48 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I'm surprised that you don't know my position on that already.
Maybe YOU don't even know what your position is.
(August 10, 2013 at 5:48 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If you don't believe that the creator and the created are the same substance, you must be saying that Allah is not prima. Another substance not Allah existed at least at the same time, if not before Allah. So Allah is not the creator of everything, but must owe his creation to a previous force, the same as if he appeared at the same time as this separate substance that he did not create. Either you're wrong in that or Allah is demoted.
Two of Allah's attributes mentioned in the Quran are that (He is) "The First" and "The Last" ("Al-Awwal" and "Al-Akhir," respectively), so we believe that there wasn't anything before Allah. Secondly, if Allah is The First, then that means that there couldn't have existed something else at the same time as Allah. Allah is first and then came everything else. Not to mention that there is no such thing as "before Allah" because Allah is eternal.
We also do not know exactly how Allah creates, do we? So why should I think that Allah and His creations are made of the same substance?
