RE: Is Hell Really a Bad Place?
August 12, 2013 at 6:00 am
(This post was last modified: August 12, 2013 at 6:13 am by The Reality Salesman01.)
(August 12, 2013 at 3:42 am)Godschild Wrote: God makes no one suffer, it is a choice of each individual while living this life.
A choice, eh? Intersting. Can you show an example that supports you, at least, the conscious self that identifies with "You", is at all the author of your thoughts? When "you" "make" a decision, are you looking at a field of options in your mind before hind? Does your brain lay out all the information it has sotred pertaining to the decision at hand for you to consider before you select the option that best suits you, or is it more like thoughts appearing in your mind for you to "choose" from?
Sam Harris speaks about it here, even a religious people can find this interesting:
Anyway, from where did those thoughts arise? If you don't know, you are certainly not the author of them, at least not the conscious "You" that you consider to be yourself. In fact, science has proved multiple times that your thoughts and decisions can be detected moments, sometimes even seconds before your conscious self even becomes aware of them! Check this out: Reference providing data in support of my claim "You" is more accurately an uninvolved observer. A witness to thoughts and decisions that were made by your subconscious, which were molded for you by your genetics, your environment, your upbringing, life experiences, the free will part, is all an illusion.
Even if you believe you have a soul, which I know you probably do, and you think that the material mind is NOT the only guiding entity, these truths are not affected. You can take no more credit for the types of things your soul guides you to than you can for the next words I'm about to say. You did not get to pick the soul you got anymore than I got to pick my subconcious. Be honest with yourself, and really consider what I'm telling you. You'll notice immediately that this is true. Even right now, while you read this, your subconscious is determining how you respond. If there's a God, he has already programmed us to end up in whatever bin he will ulitmately be sorting us into. Justice you say?

(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Yes I was raised in the so called Bible belt of the southern U.S.
Would this affect the subconscious agenda of your mind/soul?

(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Muslims do not hear from god because their god is not real, they claim the God of Abraham
Did you decide who your parents were going to be? Because, if not, you can take no more credit for being raised in a "bible belt" than they can for being born into areas which exposed them to the concepts you reject. Had you been born there, you would be singing a different tune, at least, it would have been very likely.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Reincarnation without a true god seems impossible
Hmm...I have seen no evidence of it occurring with or without a God. This true God part seems to still be in the air.
(August 12, 2013 at 4:28 am)Godschild Wrote: how would a dead man bring himself back to life as another.
You don't seem to have any problem believing that Jesus was a God version of a man, and that he did something quite similar to this. Don't you see? You don't have a rational foundation for your thoughts. You really have no control over the types of things you're willing to hold as true.