(August 26, 2013 at 12:57 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: And the puddle says "look how well I fit this hole, it must have been designed just for me"
Say the puddle was an exact mathematically perfect utterly complex geometric design. And the puddle says "I bet this formed by blind natural chance of some kind". Come on though lets get real here.
Quote:When you take this into account then the chances of getting a universe suitable for life is...drum roll...... 50/50.
Alter anything to any extent at all and there will be no life, planets or stars, galaxies, anything at least not stable ones. This can all be simulated.
Quote:I got this information from reading the latest science of the disc world book which did have references to back it up but is on my kindle lurking somewhere in the house.
The Disc World is fictional though, I hate to break to you.
Quote:Saying something "could" exist and saying that it is "does" are two very different things.
Well you're saying a purely naturalistic universe that exists entirely independently in itself without any outside cause or supernatural force or creative supreme consciousness "does" exist. Though I'd argue that's only something that in fact "could" exist. We both know the universe "does " exist but it's the rest of the details of it that we disagree upon. Seeing as you're already believing in something that is possible then why not believe something else that is also possible? As in aliens with advanced technology? You can do that and remain true to your atheist heritage.
Quote:You would have us base our "church" on a lie just to get some organised structure! I'm sorry but I don't roll that way. I require evidence for my beliefs.
You may as well say atheism is based on the lie that God doesn't exist. It isn't a lie though just something you believe. So all you have to do is believe this guy had extraterrestrial contact. Or you could forget about him and come to Christ! Now there's a proper religion, no aliens there.
Quote:Not believing in god does not pre-suppose belief in Raelian bullshit.
You may as well if you already believe in some bullshit. Perhaps we all believe something that is bullshit to someone.
Quote:There may well be aliens in the universe. I think it is very likely. I will hold off belief in aliens until such time as there is evidence that they exist. You see I don't blindly believe things even if there is a good chance that it is true because I demand evidence for what I believe.
You're blindly believing in atheism/naturalism though so why not blindly believe in some aliens? Whats the problem here?
Quote:Even aliens were proven to exist I think the chances that the Raelians got it right is minimal
You're wrong without the aliens and you're wrong with the aliens as far as I'm concerned. You may as well just have the aliens.
Quote: Just because people go to churches it does not mean that people like going to churches.
They like having structure and a community. You lack that with atheism. But you could have with Raelianism. To me this seems like the perfect solution to the issue of getting people converted to atheism.
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They call it being "god fearing" for a reason.
It means "deeply religious; pious; devout" which I guess you could be as Raelian, though that would be toward the aliens I suppose. Alien fearing.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.