Moral Argument for God's Existence

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Okay, so there are some values that are so strong in the human population that they are nearly universal. Why would God be a better description of that fact than evolution?

I'd say neither is a good description.

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And therein lies my point morals are subjective, not objective. Because if they were objective such as gravity is we would have no choice but to obey them.
And since clearly people are capable of defying them they cannot therefore be objective.
A point that I hope made a whooshing noise as it passed over genkaus's head.

I got your point, and I'm saying that your point is invalid.

Morality is a conceptual standard, not a physical law. Which is why your comparison to gravity is incorrect. There are multiple objective conceptual standards available to us that people are capable of defying. Which is why, the objectivity of a moral system does not depend on an individual's defiance of it.

To put it simply, justify your statement - "if morality was objective, people would have to obey".

For me that's it in a nutshell. A conceptual standard. One we can imagine and therefore one that doesn't actually have to exist otherwise.

If we can imagine a "moral ideal" then we can strive for it. Getting a common acceptance of that moral ideal would be easy in some areas - harder in others. In other words - typical of the sort of problems you might face applying an imagined standard to the real world.