Moral Argument for God's Existence

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For me that's it in a nutshell. A conceptual standard. One we can imagine and therefore one that doesn't actually have to exist otherwise.

If we can imagine a "moral ideal" then we can strive for it. Getting a common acceptance of that moral ideal would be easy in some areas - harder in others. In other words - typical of the sort of problems you might face applying an imagined standard to the real world.

However, we've applied similarly imagined standards objectively in other cases. We have standards for evidence, law, intelligence etc. But for some reason, we seem to think that applying morality in a similar fashion is impossible.

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I always want to ask the "objective morals" crowd to name one such example.

I can't think of any that have not been practiced at one time or another by some human culture.

Laws are, more or less, a form of objective morals. They apply to human behavior and, as a matter of norm, are not affected by an individual's perception of them.

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Morals are not objective, they are the negotiated behavior of groups of people. One person alone cannot have, and does not need, morality.

Where did you get that? A fortune cookie? The application of morality is not limited to group behavior. They can be objective, subjective, rational, nonsensical or anything in between. And a person alone would still need morality and is capable of having it.