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Pleasure and Joy

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RE: Pleasure and Joy

September 3, 2013 at 7:35 am (This post was last modified: September 3, 2013 at 7:35 am by Neo-Scholastic.)

(September 2, 2013 at 11:33 pm)genkaus Wrote: They are, in fact, not separate.

The better analogy is a brick. Its shape and mass matter for building. Its color does not. You say that subjective experience matters, but then turn around and say everything is explicable as third-party observable physical processes. If that is so then, subjective experience is redundant. You cannot supply a reason why, in your theory, brain-states with observable properties need the additional property of subjective experience. Sorry genkaus, but you need to get your story straight. You are not being consistent.

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Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - May 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - May 21, 2013 at 10:05 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 24, 2013 at 11:46 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 31, 2013 at 8:11 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 25, 2013 at 7:19 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 25, 2013 at 1:58 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Walking Void - August 25, 2013 at 9:04 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 12:40 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 26, 2013 at 8:21 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 26, 2013 at 11:58 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 27, 2013 at 5:11 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 27, 2013 at 10:06 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 27, 2013 at 10:31 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 27, 2013 at 4:31 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Bad Writer - August 27, 2013 at 8:46 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 27, 2013 at 11:32 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 31, 2013 at 7:07 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 31, 2013 at 10:23 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 28, 2013 at 1:46 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 15, 2013 at 4:18 pm

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 25, 2013 at 12:40 pm

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 27, 2013 at 8:27 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 27, 2013 at 7:35 am

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