RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence
September 3, 2013 at 4:12 pm
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2013 at 4:16 pm by Chas.)
(September 3, 2013 at 2:44 pm)genkaus Wrote:(September 3, 2013 at 2:30 pm)Chas Wrote: That is not a separate discussion. You said morality is about how we ought to live.
And the discussion of the content of morality comes in once we agree upon that point. So, do we agree?
No, where do you get 'ought'?
Quote:(September 3, 2013 at 2:30 pm)Chas Wrote: You have illustrated comparing the way two people chose to live, not the morality of the choices. And it is not objective; it is your value judgement about which is better.
I didn't realize I had to explicitly state each and every thing - the woman made the right/moral/good choices. The man did not make the right/moral/good choices. Since he did not make the opposite choices, his choices were not wrong/immoral/bad - so he is guilty of sin of omission, though not commission. The consequence of that was having a poor quality of life. And yes, the statement "the woman's life was better" is an objective judgment.
No, you are making a value judgement - you are presuming a moral stance. One can argue that the man's life was simpler, therefore better.
It is not objective.
(September 3, 2013 at 3:45 pm)genkaus Wrote:(September 3, 2013 at 3:29 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: I don't see how any of either of their choices has anything to do with morality?
Morality has to do with how we deal with other conscious beings with respect to their well being, and giving them a chance to flourish.
A single person can not act immorally or morally, since there are no other conscious beings to interact with.
Atleast read a few post before making same old defeated arguments. This point has already been addressed - therefore, repeating the same refutation over and over again gets really tiring.
Morality is a conceptual standard applicable to conscious human actions and behavior that dictates how they should live their lives.
To put it in words you'd understand - morality has to do with how a person acts or behaves. It includes - but is not limited to - actions and behavior that affect his dealings with other conscious beings with respect to their well-being. Once again - it includes this, but is not limited to it.
Which is why a single person can act morally or immorally without other conscious beings to interact with.
Please climb down off of your high horse, it's hard to hear you from there.
You are claiming a definition of morality and others disagree with your definition. Your claim to being right does not make you right.
Please define the basis on which one determines how one should live absent other people. What is the basis for choice?
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